July 15, 2024; Scaling, Multiple Accounts, Non-Transferrable Tickets + More
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This video is a comprehensive deep dive into ticket reselling strategies, focusing on account management, Ticketmaster's algorithms, handling non-transferable tickets, and tools to enhance efficiency. Below is a summary with timestamps to provide clear navigation for viewers:
Video Summary:
Introduction and AMA Format (00:00)
Presenter skips formalities to dive into key topics.
Overview of the AMA (Ask Me Anything) format for a small group.
Managing Ticketmaster Accounts (04:29)
Explanation of Ticketmaster's policies on account usage.
Necessity of unique details for each account (email, phone number, etc.).
Overview of creating accounts and verifying them using OTPs.
Tools like TextChest and SeatHeroes for managing multiple phone numbers.
Scaling Ticketmaster Accounts (07:21)
Importance of scaling accounts over time for better performance.
Recommendations for using 5-10 accounts initially and expanding gradually.
Proxy Management and Advanced Tools (18:23)
Using Chrome profiles, proxies, and specialized browsers (e.g., Jansy, Insomniac) for account management.
Benefits of tools like Jansy for seating chart visualization and queue management.
Ticketmaster Algorithm Insights (32:46)
Explanation of how queue positions change over time due to algorithm updates.
The unpredictability of the Ticketmaster algorithm and its evolving nature.
Purchasing Accounts vs. Creating Accounts (40:20)
Advantages and risks of purchasing pre-made Ticketmaster accounts.
Importance of resting accounts to maintain queue performance.
Handling Non-Transferable Tickets (52:49)
Definition and challenges of non-transferable tickets.
Delivery delays explained and their impact on resale timelines.
Using Automation Tools (56:17)
Overview of the Listed platform for ticket management.
Benefits of automation in fulfillment and inventory management.
Pricing Strategies (1:03:16)
Importance of learning manual pricing instead of relying on algorithms.
Examples of market dynamics using Taylor Swift tickets.
International Resale Considerations (1:16:42)
Challenges and risks associated with reselling tickets internationally.
Limited access to platforms like StubHub for international events.
Q&A and Final Remarks (1:23:16)
Discussion on upcoming events and tools for tracking announcements.
Final thoughts and encouragement for beginners to practice.
(00:00) I will skip the uh I'll skip the small talk and just get right into it if that's okay with you 100% okay cool uh and will you be recording tonight yes definitely awesome I appreciate that okay um awesome we will just get started then and launch right into it are you ready to rock yep whenever you're ready fantastic um guys hello hi thanks so much for joining again sorry for being late um I am choking I am your ticket provider um and I appreciate you taking the time to join me this evening um you know I know we have a small group
(00:41) tonight which is totally okay uh especially with this this small kind of group um we kind of do this in an AMA style format um obviously that becomes a little more a little different of a situation when we have a small group like this so I would encourage you please do not be shy about asking questions about um about making comments if something I've say does not make sense if you have a question about something that is off topic from what we're talking about that's okay um you don't need to wait till the end or
(01:15) anything like that the more questions more more you guys speak up the better and more productive the conversation is um and you know I will I will fill in the gaps between questions and topics and stuff with just kind of General commentary um and and we'll go from there uh and then at the very end something I like to do that some people find very helpful uh is uh take some specific inventory a specific set of tickets that you have bought recently or you've been sitting on or whatever uh and identify those uh you know get the
(01:56) section row and how much you paid for them and then kind of walk through um the thought process as far as where the market is right now where you should be priced are you priced too high are you pric too low did you pay too much um are you doing okay is it is it going to be all right um and then we will do that and people seem to find that really helpful because even if you don't have that specific event that we're talking about um there are similar Concepts that will apply to maybe a set of tickets um that you have that uh will help you
(02:31) price and move some inventory in the future um so just to get started um just as a general question how who was here last month when we did this and I I'm asking this so that I don't repeat uh topics or bore anybody or anything like that who was here for the call last month was anybody I present I think we here sorry Drew what was that I was here last month cool okay and then I think we have mostly Fresh Faces uh I think a lot of our group like some of the guys in here mentioned like they've reviewed all the other previous
(03:14) calls so I think a lot of people listen to the calls uh so I don't think there's going to be much that's going to be missed awesome okay um cool all right so with that in mind um unlike maybe some other voice calls that you've been a part of or attended I I don't typically uh I don't I don't make a um a a syllabus beforehand of specific topics and kind of minute-by-minute stuff uh I could literally teach a fouryear college level course on on ticketing and still not CRA you know not cover everything so I do want to say
(03:52) this out of the gate um the people that are here are there any specific questions um topics that you would like to discuss just out of the gate I have a couple of things I want to go over the last kind of month of my calls uh whether you participated or not I want to go over kind of the highs and lows of those um revisit them a little bit I want to talk about some changes that have been made to The Ticket Master q and kind of just the entire Q process and where it is where it's been where it's going um but are there any topics that people are
(04:29) curious about about big or small just out of the gate and if you are not in a position to actually speak on the call or you're nervous or shy or whatever uh and you would rather chat ask your question or questions please do so in the actual voice chat Channel um but do we have any just topics out of the gate that we want to talk about for anybody here um Jordan did you have anything I know you had a bunch of great questions last time just on behalf of members and otherwise do you have anything just out of the gate that you want to talk about
(05:03) so I know Drew here uh mentioned just before our call before you hopped in that uh he has tickets for Sabrina Carpenter Montreal that he sold yep and he had he had some concerns about them being non-transferable but they like they they are transferable 24 hours prior and he's just wondering if uh listed takes care of that the 24 hours prior or if he has to do anything with that that is an awesome question we will uh let me I'm just going to jot that down we will definitely uh that's a that's a fantastic topic that leads into a lot of
(05:34) other things um uh and then also for myself like I I had a couple additional questions I would like don't definitely don't be answered right now but I would like to cover session sure and they kind of go hand inand one is non-transferable events so surrendering your accounts and then two um I asked you in the chat before about obtaining multiple Ticket Master accounts M kind of like kind of what you think is like the best way to do that and maybe maybe for queueing multiple events but also specifically for doing
(06:09) the um non-transferable events absolutely okay so do me a favor because just to give you a peek behind the curtain um I don't sit at my computer when I do this I actually pace around the house much to the uh annoyance of my wife so I am not in front of a computer when I do these will you just send me a DM uh and just summarize those two questions so I can revisit them when uh when when you know a little bit later in the call is that okay with you yeah definitely all right cool um so uh let's just launch right
(06:44) into one of the things that Jordan just mentioned which is actually multiple accounts um we're going to start there because at the you know at the end of the day most roads and tickets lead back to accounts and the queue and that entire um topic so let's just Dive Right In and again just as a reminder if I say if I use lingo that is not familiar to you if I say something that you don't you know doesn't compute please do not feel dumb uh I do speak in ticket lingo all the time and don't even realize I do it so please just interject if I say
(07:21) something that does not make sense to you but um here is you know without getting too complicated about a counts and the queue we'll start with accounts um so if you're just starting out uh if you've done some drops you you quickly figure out that Ticket Master is without a doubt your um toughest opponent as far as entities you are buying from with the intent to flip right so for those of you who might be more familiar with um Walmart or Target or anything that we did during the pandemic um and and Retail stuff um Ticket Master
(08:03) is not like that at all um you know they are actively changing the rules and adjusting and tweaking things in order to essentially be a pain in our ass um and to th the uh efforts of resellers as well as Bots and and all sorts of stff you know similar things so Ticket Master is extremely smart intelligent and constantly rewriting um all of the rules that are currently in place so you've definitely noticed that you cannot just cue you can't join a waiting room with uh the same account uh and the same show on the same device right it is
(08:51) one account per device per show um so if you are rocking one or even two accounts right now uh those one or two accounts uh while great practice are not are only going to get you so far if this is a long-term play for you um and not only is it going to be tough to um hit uh a lot of these bigger tours but also when you're recycling uh only one or two or three accounts um they will get burned out in the queue very quickly and then you'll start getting bad Q spots and then it's really hard to acquire inventory when you're constantly in the
(09:33) back of the line so there's a couple of different things at play here as far as the actual accounts go um there are two options for how you can acquire additional accounts one of them is to um to you know physically make them yourself uh the challenge there is going to be Ticket Master requires OTP a text message uh code uh to basically do any function on the site so if you want to transfer tickets if you want to enter a waiting room which is what we're going to be talking about now um anything that you need to do on the site um any
(10:15) important action requires an OTP and the number one rule about having multiple accounts on Ticket Master is that you want to keep those accounts as clean as possible and as separate as possible possible what I mean by that is every single aspect of your account should be unique obviously unique email address unique name unique uh address which is not super relevant because 99% of the tickets that we buy are mobile uh and do not require a physical address um a unique credit card um and then you know unique phone number
(10:56) becomes uh the biggest pie of the puzzle um you should not absolutely should not use one phone number to verify on multiple accounts because once Ticket Master links those two accounts in any way um then both of those accounts will will suffer negative consequences as far as the algorithm that determines the Q is concerned uh you want those accounts to appear as individual and separate as possible which sounds easy on paper but once you start getting into scaling up and having a bunch of different accounts it becomes
(11:38) very difficult now the phone number part of this equation you can do one of two things you can I recommend to start out people actually asking friends and family if they can use their phone number uh just temporarily um to create these accounts right here's an important note about this entire process with Ticket Master when you are when you create an account um on Ticket Master and you are asked to do this OTP code uh the first time that you do this OTP code you have to do it via text message after that uh after
(12:23) that first time of verifying via text you will get the option to verify via phone number number or email obviously the choice of phone number or email makes it much easier to retrieve that OTP code to do anything including joining the waiting room so you ask friends and family uh to use uh their phone number and verify this these uh this new account for you new accounts for you um you verify that one time using your friend or family phone number uh and then from there on you can receive that OTP via email um if that is
(13:04) if you want to do it manually by yourself uh and use friends and family now there are other aspects of ticketing that you will need multiple phone numbers for such as um entering lotteries or uh verified fan Lottery type situations for major shows um and things of that nature uh there are websites out there that are ticket specific and act and provide actual phone numbers that have the ability to retrieve text messages um uh on the web uh digitally instead of with an actual device now um uh let's see these uh these Services
(13:52) there there are two main ones uh one is text chest that is text CH h s uh the other one is seat Heroes s a t like you sit in Heroes like a superhero um and both of those are ticket Centric made by ticket brokers for ticket brokers you might just you might be wondering why can't I just use a Google Voice or one of the million uh uh voice over IP solutions that the web has to offer we go back to Ticket Master is your smartest and toughest opponent um I have yet to find any Google Voice ajce situation that actually cooperates
(14:38) with Ticket Master because it requires an actual phone number not a Google voice type internet phone number um so uh if you think you can take a shortcut and use a free service uh you will likely be in for some disappointment uh however if anybody finds a free service that actually does work with Ticket Master otps please let me know but uh I I have yet to find one um so anyway Ste heroes or text chest they both offer uh monthly plans for phone numbers um and don't quote me on this it depends on how many phone numbers you buy um but it's
(15:17) somewhere in the neighborhood of like $10 a month per number um and uh that is certainly something that you can do if you do not want to fool around with friends and family um I recommend going the friends and family route until you become comfortable with the entire space and then you can start scaling up just to kind of give you an idea of the sandbox that we're playing in um I personally have about 6,000 phone numbers um I rotate through them I have been AC I have been acquiring them uh for all of the 22 years that I have been doing this
(15:55) um I have baseball binders of SIM cards labeled with phone numbers and stuff uh in my office I also have subscriptions to text chest as well um so just you know that is there are many many people in the ticket space that have hundreds or even thousands of phone numbers I'm not telling you that to discourage you or tell you that you know what a small fish you are uh but I just want to encourage and show that uh with some effort this can this can be scaled uh into you know as large as you want it to be essentially so anyway uh getting back
(16:35) to the Ticket Master que um we when we're creating phone when we're creating accounts uh we're going to need that phone number from somewhere uh they need to be unique phone numbers and and so once you have figured out a solution to the phone number problem whether that is friends and family whether it is text chest uh seat Heroes uh that is going to be a very important part of your puzzle and you will not really be able to do a whole lot in the realm of scaling until you figure out how you want to solve that problem anyway so
(17:06) once you have the phone number um aspect of this thing figured out then you're creating accounts you are using that OTP to verify and then join your waiting room on X number of accounts that you have acquired my recommendation for everybody with everything in tickets but especially with accounts please do not go out and buy a hundred lines for seat hero or or a text chest um to be honest you will not know what to do with a 100 accounts you will stress yourself out and it'll be an unnecessary expense that you don't really need to be uh playing
(17:43) around with right this second I would recommend start out with five accounts maybe 10 accounts learn the process get comfortable um doing five accounts on a drop uh 10 accounts on a drop and once you have gotten comfortable with that and comfortable the space a little bit then you can scale up by 10 or 15 more accounts and and so on and so forth now um for uh on the topic of scaling um once you have let's just say you have your five accounts uh that you are ready to rock and roll with you can do one of two things now again we talked about you can
(18:23) only Join one waiting room per account per device um at a time so there's a couple of solutions to this the easiest one is you can use uh Chrome profiles with like a proxy switcher uh and and you can do it that way it is a more manual process um there's some tweaking and some stuff that you'll need to kind of figure out along the way but that is the cheapest and easiest way to do this um it is not recommended for a long term solution but again in order to create a quote unquote different device you will need chrone
(19:05) profiles um to do that now what most people who do this full-time or even part-time or anything seriously there are two different browsers uh the web browsers that are specifically designed for tickets they these are not a bot uh at all there's nothing automated uh about there's no bypassing the Q or Auto carting or anything like that but these are web browsers that essentially make it so that every single tab that you open is a brand new device um with a unique IP obviously based on the clean and separation of accounts that we've talked
(19:47) about so far uh you can see why this would be a gamechanging situation um from people starting out uh they is a there is a browser called jansy that is J ncy I believe their website is jansy doio um and it is a fantastic tool it has a ton of of features that will help you as you scale it will uh it does really cool stuff like when you're looking at a seating chart um there are let's just say 10,000 dots on that seating chart uh for 10,000 seats it will actually automatically color code that seating chart based on what the
(20:34) tickets what the cost of the tickets is so you can easily see where the $100 seats stop and the $75 seats start which when you're in a very stressful on sale as you can imagine that becomes very very crucial um very crucial to success as far as extra seconds that you're saving during checkout so jany is a solution that everybody should be striving for maybe some of you are ready for it now maybe some of you need to work towards it that's okay um jansy runs I believe at $100 a month which again might sound a little steep to some
(21:13) of you but there are some operating costs in tickets and as you start to scale and you're doing this consistently on a daily basis um those fees will will easily pay for themselves uh you know you you should be able to pay for your jansy monthly subscription in in in one drop or less um so that is a tool that you'll definitely need that is the tool that most people use there is another browser that is called Insomniac um it is kind of the much more advanced version of jansy um it is what most full-time Brokers use it is what I use
(21:53) personally um it is $500 a month um it has it's a more secure it's it uses a lot less Ram uh it's a lot more uh Nimble and um less heavy duty as far as uh resources on your computer goes um and also it has uh some significant fingerprinting upgrades that jansy does not have as far as uh security and stuff like that so there is also Insomniac which uh I believe it's like Insomniac browser.
(22:27) com uh and jansy for most of you or all of you jansy is probably going to be the solution that you want to work towards um I do believe that jansy offers a 7-Day free trial do not quote me on that um but yes so if you do want to screw around with jansy I would obviously wait until there is a decent on sale to test it with but uh yeah take jansy for a spin you will need proxies uh so you load in these proxies to jansy and then it pulls those proxies for each tab that you want to open for each unique device quote unquote that you want to appear to have during a drop um
(23:07) and so that is kind of the barebones of everything you need to know about creating or obtaining multiple accounts uh and then actually executing them in a waiting room um for the best chance to acquire inventory um we will talk a little bit fot on this when we talk about the uh when we talk about the algorithm and the actual waiting room uh in a bit but for right now how does uh what are question what questions do you have about all of that I know that was a lot to throw at you uh but what is uh what questions do
(23:48) you guys have about multiple accounts uh creating them verifying them and then um organizing them for a drop uh Toki I have one quick question uh so if you are uh suppose if you're using any private browser or separate proxy or whatever suppose if you're are logging into account and which is the IP is from like suppose it's from the Vancouver City and the second time when you are logging into the same account and your IP dedu from the Montreal or Toronto how those things work if they you just me like you're Lo
(24:30) you're using proxies and every time you log in you're you're appearing to be from a different place is that what your is that your question yeah so jansy has a great feature where you can actually assign uh a specific proxy to an account um and that way you will use you will use the same proxy for each account I do want to note that I do not use jansy not because it's a bad product just because uh for about a decade Insomniac was the only product like this on the market jansy uh is like a post pandemic situation so I am comfortable with and
(25:10) use Insomniac so for those of you who might be diving into jansy trying to set it up and stuff uh there is a setup process they do have uh solid customer support in their Discord server which I'm happy to give an invite it's open but I'll be happy to give anybody an invite that wants one uh but I will not be able to provide actual technical support for jansy because I don't physically use it uh but to get back to your question uh yeah they do have neat little features like you can assign an account permanently to a proxy so you
(25:43) don't run into that issue okay that would be awesome Yep thank you so much Drew and everybody else that's here like when chokey mentions the stuff I'm putting it in the voice chat chat about like all this info that he's post in there just so we have it for reference um I know that there was um one of the ticket brokers that we had in the server before he is a little bit smaller than Choi probably by quite a lot but I know he regularly utilizes uh Firefox and the multi account containers with different propes
(26:16) assigned to those I know that works for him as well you you ABS I do not want to bully or or uh Force anybody into something like jansy uh before they are I want to make it very clear bolded and underlined it is totally possible to do five seven accounts with a Firefox container or Chrome profiles or something like that it is obviously going to be a little bit more of a manual process but again I would highly recommend getting familiar with the process and just managing the that you know five seven accounts um through
(26:56) Firefox containers or Chrome profile files before you make the jump to jansy because again those are free and they do work but once you use jansy once you will immediately wonder how the hell did I use Firefox containers for so long but again uh these are solutions for people who are doing tickets on a regular basis not necessarily full-time but just uh you're buying tickets pretty consistently uh you know once a week a couple times a month stuff like that so um yeah there are lots of solutions uh some of them are a little more DIY than
(27:35) others um but the the process and what you're trying to accomplish is the same cool and then I also had a question with the multiple accounts so like you mentioned like text chest uh one that we're more familiar with would be like seat tools I imagine that they accomplish the same thing so can you use those Services specifically to set up uh ticket m accounts for like the initial numbers or like something like say like text verified where you can get like a onetime OTP code set it up and then consistently use uh emails after
(28:08) that so uh you you mean basically buy the numbers for a short amount of time and then uh to verify and then and then cancel numbers is that essentially what you're getting at yeah basically yeah so can you do that yes does it open the door down the road for for something for possible issues yes let me give you an example um in some cases and I don't have a specific example to give you unfortunately but in some cases uh there have been times for security reasons or a glitch or what have you uh Ticket Master uh the email OTP
(28:55) situation um doesn't work or you stop getting otps via email or anything like that um the the solution is going to be one way or another verifying via phone number and if you have permanently given up those phone numbers and they have been sold to somebody else that becomes an impossible scenario for you that may not sound like a big deal but uh let's just say you're trying to transfer tickets to a buyer um and you can't get email OTP to work and you don't have those phone numbers anymore uh that becomes a major issue because
(29:31) essentially you are locked out of that account until you can figure out a solution to that so that is a very that is a 1% uh possibility but there it does open the door for possibilities down the road if you ever get into a situation where you need to basically email OTP is not working uh phone number is is the backup plan B and if you don't have access to that at all ever um that that could potentially become a problem uh so I don't necessarily recommend that but I understand the thought process of I don't want to have to pay every month
(30:09) for these phone numbers and I'm only using them one time uh there are other things you will use the phone number four but again that's kind of a just a devil's advocate there yeah because like I also see like obviously uh like You' mentioned before like you can buy Ticket Master accounts I've seen those Services before so like those would kind of operate on the same principle would they not um they would yes um and and just to to get to buying accounts that was going to be a little bit more in the the algorithm waiting
(30:41) room thing so there there are there are people on Discord who sell accounts here is kind of where we are currently with that um there are people that sell quote unquote untested accounts what that means is they are saying that these accounts have not been run through a q recently to test out what Q position they are getting on average uh another cool feature that jany has that may not seem like a big deal right this second but once you get a little deeper into this you will quickly realize why it's a big deal they have a feature that will
(31:24) automatically log the que positions of each account in like a notepad so that you can go back and look over the last month and see which of your accounts has been consistently getting the best cues that's really not a big deal if you have five accounts but if you have a 100 accounts and you have a huge Taylor Swift type drop and you can you only want to you can only queue up your best 10 accounts um you know you you will want to rotate out your accounts because again after you use these accounts uh for buying over X number of months
(32:04) uh that qos will those accounts will start to get a little cold they'll need a rest um you do need to root you cannot use the same accounts every single day forever you will because eventually they will start to fall to the back of the line the queue um and so you will want to swap out and and rotate you want to have a roster of accounts even if it's 10 so that you can rotate out um and you're not you're not using the same accounts every day because eventually that is going to lead you to a dead end does that make sense um uh yeah so that
(32:46) um so you can buy untested accounts they are relatively cheap let's just say they're like seven or8 doll a piece some sellers will only sell in like like groups of 25 or 50 or 100 some will sell smaller groups than that here's the issue with buying untested accounts uh I have found and I have heard from people telling me that a lot of the time uh what those untested accounts essentially are is uh they have tested 5,000 accounts the ones that have the The 100 or 200 best accounts they have taken out of the pile uh and they
(33:33) essentially have left junk for everyone to purchase uh when you're buying accounts the easiest comparison to uh the easiest comparison is is buying uh packs of cards uh looking for a certain hit there will be certain packs that have uh you know one hit two hit multiple hits uh it's a great pack a great box and and then there will be other packs or boxes that don't have uh don't have a hit or even a Chase um and so it's it's definitely a um uh a game of chance for sure but one of the issues recently in the last couple of months
(34:15) has been those untested cheaper accounts are literally just kind of the leftover crap that these sellers have already picked through uh taken out the good stuff and left everybody else with the crap to buy um there are sellers who sell tested accounts uh these are kind of your uh your uh your under 500 uh Q position type situation uh obviously as you can imagine these accounts are super valuable uh they you know if you have if you are doing a Taylor Swift drop or another big drop like that and you have a C position of
(34:57) two 100 you can pretty much take your picket a lot uh and and if you know you can easily pay for uh accounts that you have purchased with one or two uh really good drops you have a great que position um again that's probably buying a tested account is probably going to be something down the line account tested accounts will run anywhere from like ,000 to $3,000 a piece which might be at a some people's budget uh might be sticker shock for some folks but um yes you do not have to purchase uh tested accounts you can you can do this just
(35:38) fine without tested accounts um but yeah if you want to consistently only do the big Taylor Swift Morgan Wallen Adele stuff um then you will you will definitely need some some decent Accounts at some point but uh that's kind of that's kind of how things are going right now the big question mark in all of this is again Ticket Master is constantly changing tweaking adjusting all of this so what works today may not work tomorrow uh we have seen it has kind of been a roller coaster of emotions over the last 12 months with uh
(36:17) you know everyone gets comfortable with the Ticket Master algorithm and the queue uh and it's the same for like three months and then all of a sudden without warning they Shuffle things up and an account that was getting great cues one day is not getting great accounts the next day and obviously if you have paid a ton of money for an account that becomes a big problem so there's a lot of question marks here there's a lot of money involved um so again I would not come out of the gate and buy uh tested accounts or spend a
(36:47) ton of money on accounts um if you can find someone who will sell you 5 10 15 25 accounts uh for a reasonable price um and you just want to learn the process and get comfortable with that that is what I would recommend for a couple of months uh until you kind of get your foot in the door and figure some things yeah that makes sense but like you mentioned with the accounts kind of like becoming like heaters and then cooling off whatever some some of the accounts that you would consider quote unquote junk those may become viable
(37:21) accounts somay is that correct 1,000% and that is probably one of the more important uh things that we will discuss tonight uh that is another reason I don't really encourage people to drop a ton of money on tested accounts and stuff uh right out out the gate because just because an account has a bad queue position today put it on the shelf for a couple months um there was a big uh switch up in the algorithm in like February and there hadn't been one since July of the of last year so we're talking about like
(37:56) seven months and all of a sudden accounts that were at the front of the line for the last seven months uh people thought they were on top of the world with those accounts suddenly they were at the back of the line and the people that had been in the back of the line for the last seven months uh had great que positions so yes they they are the algorithm is constantly shifting and shuffling so what's good today will not be good forever but also something that's bad today will not be bad forever either um and while we're on this topic
(38:29) I just want to note and I want to make this very very clear bold and underlined um a lot of people the majority of people who are doing tickets on Discord got into tickets post pandemic uh with Taylor Swift or Adele or Morgan wall or one of these other big tours over the last two two and a half years um people love to run around Discord and chats and stuff and talk about the Ticket Master algorithm and the waiting room as if they have cracked the code that they have they're the only person that's found the secret KFC recipe uh and I
(39:07) just want to make it very clear anyone who talks about The Ticket Master Q or the algorithm uh as if they have figured it out or that it's as if it's a fact is full of [ __ ] uh it is I'm not saying that nothing has been figured out but uh it is a lot of Bro Science it's a lot of uh um coordinating with other people on Discord comparing notes developing theories based on that note but no one on Discord on the planet knows the secret sauce The Ticket Master algorithm how do I know that because I was working at Ticket Master in the office in in the
(39:46) Chicago office in which the uh algorithm for the waiting room was developed um I worked at Ticket Master for seven years and do not know uh much at all about the algorithm as far as confirmed fact uh so if I was a couple of office do down from where the thing was developed and I don't know I can promise you that people on Discord don't know for sure either so just as you read people talking about the algorithm and their theories and stuff keep that in mind it's Bro Science people will talk about it as if they
(40:20) know it 100% as a fact and that is simply not true um any questions about any of that accounts Q waiting room I know this is it's tough to talk about some of these topics in a setting like this because it's easier to to actually see it play out uh in a tangible format but we can't do that unless we have an actual drop and you know I don't have to tell you guys that becomes a little difficult to do in real time so a lot of the stuff we're talking about it it may seem kind of cloudy or uh a little foggy now but the more you
(41:01) do this uh I would encourage everybody even if you were not buying tickets in a drop I would encourage you to just participate in as many drops as you can uh even if you're not planning on buying something it will get you familiar with the process of joining the queue uh confirming OTP getting through the waiting room getting into the seating chart card selecting your seats carding them I obviously don't check out on them but going through the the Motions like that um is great practice and it might seem silly but I promise you if you if
(41:40) you do uh mock drops for tickets uh a couple times a week for a couple months um even without buying anything I I I promise you you will learn a lot more than you think you will and that is definitely the best way to get uh get comfortable with with the concepts that we're talking about uh and again even if you don't plan on spending any money that's okay the most important thing is the process I just had a question for you yeah um do you have like kind of a bit of a Bro Science estimate here of like how many events you can go for in a row
(42:21) before rotating accounts like is this like a a monthly thing like a yearly thing weekly just like kind of around there yeah so I I I don't really uh that's you know uh the frustrating thing about trying to educate people about the algorithm and the waiting room is that there are no uh blanket easy answers that neatly fit into a box everything everything about tickets in general there you know every rule has a thousand variables a thousand exceptions um every single ticket every single waiting room every single event
(43:00) is different and unique and that is what people who are new tend to try to put blanket answers across a bunch of different types of events and they get themselves in trouble because they they do not realize how different every single event is um but getting back to your question you know the best example that I have there is the one that I already gave about kind of there was a Shuff so to speak in July when I say Shuffle I am referring to whatever they adjusted about the algorithm it caused a shuffle in uh whatever nor in in the
(43:39) normal Q position that you were getting uh and people that were at the front of the line uh found themselves in the back of the line so the last Shuffle period that we have on record is July of 23 to the end of February 24 but again uh just one example uh and I that is not like you shouldn't expect you know the next Shuffle to be exactly 7 and a half months you know from February that's just that it's you can certainly use that if you'd like to but it's just important to note that it it's completely random uh it as
(44:18) far as how often they're shuffling it um you know it is essentially a real time cat and mouse game if you have kept up with anything in tickets even on just the news you have seen all the hoopla about Taylor Swift and going to Congress and all of the stuff that's kind of gone before legislator uh in the US about uh about that kind of stuff and and so it has brought a lot of attention to the ticketing space and so Ticket Master is uh in a an arms race a cat and mouse game with resell of trying to everyone's trying to stay
(45:00) one step ahead of the the opponent um in this arms race to um to come out on top but again you can't get comfortable and what you think you when just when you think you know everything the entire game will change so just know that going in it is going you know I have been doing this for 22 years and um it will never you can never get comfortable because the industry moves at such a rapid Pace constantly that uh the things that you know and things that you don't know are constantly changing I know that's not really a helpful answer but
(45:42) the best example of what you actually asked is that space between July of last year and February of this year okay thank you I out one more question too um do you find any benefit in diversifying proxy providers like is there any risk of like like I know before I was like I only have five accounts but I was using Oculus proxies and I guess somehow my range got like Ticket Master band so I had to get all new proxies and that seemed to like have some sort of account like do you find any benefit in diversifying any
(46:16) suggestions on providers so I do not diversify um Jordan is it okay if I talk about specific providers I don't want to step on toes of what ever you got deals you guys have in place is that okay no yeah we don't have any any kind of deals or anything okay cool I just I never wanna I always want to ask so I I recommend uh I recommend Petty proxies that's PTI um that is who I use I actually use one of their private servers which is a little more expensive um but you get your own dedicated range of proxies instead of sharing them with X number of
(46:53) people but I use Petty proxies um not only have they been very good to me the other thing is uh some proxy providers uh will work on Ticket Master but they will not work on other sites that do drops such as AXS or ticket web or you know the main one is Ticket Master obviously but there are other sites the other big one is AXS where a lot of proxy providers will not work on both but um I use Petty for both um and and on top of their product being great uh Petty also is very active on Discord and and we'll get back to you in a DM or in
(47:35) a ticket in a server very quickly um so that is who that is my recommendation if anybody needs a promo code for petty um proxies I can certainly get that for you um I believe it's like maybe 30% off to send me a DM but yeah I use Petty proxies I use one of their private servers um but that is that's the best one that I found personally I do not D diversify but there are people who use one set of proxies for Ticket Master and one set of proxies for AXS uh because sometimes they're a little one is more sensitive than the other um but that's a
(48:14) personal choice I use Petty for everything and it works for me awesome thank you very much yep uh all right any other I have these two questions from Jordan in my inbox okay want to talk about sabr a carpenter want to talk about nontransferable weekend we're at an about an hour right now so I'm G to try to speedrun through this before I jump into uh another promo about Sabrina Carpenter and non-transferable does anyone have any questions about anything we've talked about so far or anything else okay cool so um uh we wanted to talk about Sabrina
(48:59) Carpenter specifically now uh I made my write up for Sabrina Carpenter was from June the 24th so about two weeks ago maybe three weeks ago um and when it's all said and done Sabrina Carpenter will end up being most likely if things continue the way they're they have been over the last three weeks Sabrina Carpenter will end up being uh the highest growth one of the top uh resale tours of the year if you missed out on Sabrina Carpenter uh I would encourage you to go back read my call about my write up from June 24th about Sabrina
(49:41) Carpenter um it's a very detailed write up and I gave some kind of Max prices that you should pay in each area upper level lower level Club level floor level which by the way side note if you don't know if you're not super familiar with a seating chart if you can't look at a seating chart for a venue and and identify where those areas are upper level lower level a club level if the venue has it and floor level I would encourage you to to start looking at some seaing charts and getting familiar um if you do not go to a lot of live
(50:16) events in your in your real life uh that may be something that you struggle with so make sure you get familiar with seating charts and venues uh so that you can easily identify those areas and you know what I'm talking about when I reference them in my call but anyway so SAA Carpenter uh we you know the the average city I think the cheapest ticket was like 50 bucks and you have cities if you go to Stubhub and look at like Sabrina Carpenter and Baltimore or Boston or Austin uh some of these shows uh nose bed tickets are going for
(50:49) anywhere between $250 and $400 a ticket so for a pair of nose bleeds in Baltimore you're talking about a $100 investment and you could probably flip them for 350 700 right now um so again we go back to the costs of jansy at $100 a month or buying accounts and stuff uh when you really figure this stuff out and put in the time and effort to learn it uh when you have a drop like Sabrina Carpenter and you acquire a dozen tickets 20 25 30 tickets you know and you have some significant profit going on uh that is how you pay for that is how those
(51:32) monthly expenses become uh not a big deal or a necessary expense so um they may seem like an a costly thing right now but once you start getting into this they really aren't um anyway s Carpenter is a fantastic buy it's a great reference point for people just starting to go back and look at here's a write up from the very beginning uh 's what it said it was pretty much on the money all the way around and then there were updates about Sabrina Carpenter throughout the week that you can also reference if you're trying to learn
(52:07) anyway getting back to the question about nontransferable first of all obviously non-transferable means exactly what it says it means um why is that a big deal for these digital mobile tickets which are going to be 99% of the tickets that you buy um you need to be able to transfer your tickets to your buyer there are certain tours if an artist is super anti- resale or they just want to be a pain in your ass uh they will possibly make their entire tour non-transferable um I am trying uh to there was a tour a couple
(52:49) of weeks ago it may be luke comes from like last week at the Gorge um where every single ticket was non-transferable um and so my recommendation for that was you know if you do not know how to handle this if you've never done non-transferable before um then maybe sit this one out but as far as Sabrina Carpenter goes um Sabrina Carpenter was not a was a was a transferable tour it has what's called a delivery delay what does that mean it means that if a tour has a delivery delay and you can typically find out if
(53:33) a tour has a delivery delay ahead of time if you go to the event page so if you go to ticketmaster.com and search Sabrina Carpenter uh you do a major city Boston Baltimore Brooklyn something like that in the upper leftand corner there is like a more info uh button and in that it has a bunch of info from the venue uh and stuff but typically if there is a delivery delay it will be in there of tickets will not be allowed to be transferred until 48 hours before the show or 72 hours before the show or whatever it is um so that is definitely
(54:14) something that you want to be aware of ahead of time I try to notate it in the delivery delay portion of my write up sometimes it is very uh apparent and announced ahead of time and other times we don't really know until the drop happens which is why you should always be paying attention during checkout do not ever assume anything about your checkout read everything during checkout read it twice make sure you're buying the right thing because tickets cannot be returned and they cannot be exchanged for like sneakers so if you make a
(54:49) mistake you're probably going to eat some money on it because tickets um mistakes and tickets are very expensive so when you have a delivery delay it literally just means that the ability to transfer is turned off until X date in this case I believe that whoever ask this question bought Sabrina Carpenter in Montreal um and there was a 24hour delivery delay what that means is if the show is on S Saturday September 11 11 then the tickets will not be transferable no matter when you sell them until Friday September 10th at X
(55:38) o'clock um if that sounds stressful it's because it is and that's the point um now something that that I would recommend every single person do um OB I am assuming that everybody here is either familiar with or already set up unlisted if you are not set up unlisted that is not something we have time to discuss tonight but there is a long write up I believe it's in tickets announcements Jordan if you could help me with that maybe put a link to the post or something um but there is a long post about listed and what it can do for
(56:17) you um the main two things about listed number one they put all your tickets in a central located essential portal for you to manage but they they push all of your tickets to all of the exchanges StubHub Vivid Seats seat geek tickpick all of those so essentially instead of listing these in 10 different places individually and then when they sell you have to manually take them down from everywhere uh this essentially does all of that for you in an automated format so when you broadcast your tickets enlisted it will push all of your
(57:00) tickets to all of those marketplaces where people are going to buy them once they sell they get taken off of all of those places automatically so that you do not sell the same ticket twice and again as we talked about double sales are very expensive uh very expensive mistake in ticketing so you want to use listed instead of listing on stub by you know individually the other thing you don't want to do that a lot of people don't seem to grasp you do not want to list on listed and list on stub you are literally doing the same thing twice and
(57:39) that is a great way to get your tickets sold twice and have a huge problem on your hands so you want to use listed uh and when you assuming you have listed set up uh there is an onboarding process you have to submit some documents mentation for taxes and verification and all of that stuff uh so it is you know it takes a little bit of time to get on it's not like a point and click immediate thing it probably takes about 36 hours to get approved and on your way um but once you are set up on listed uh they have what in a they in the post
(58:16) that Jordan will hopefully link to there is a YouTube video that's like 30 minutes is um that tells you all about listed and how to use it and stuff don't skip over that like you would uh the instruction manual of uh you know some piece of furniture you have to put together uh you need to watch that video at least twice if not three or four times and yes I know how much time that is 30 minutes times three or four uh but trust me mistakes are expensive and you want to know what you're doing and you you cannot just figure it out along the
(58:51) way you need to actually do the homework to figure the stuff out listed has a feature called automatic fulfillment and this is the actual answer to the question listed has a feature called automatic fulfillment it is a little Annoying to set up essentially what you do is uh you set up email forwarding to a a master catchall type account uh so that listed essentially has the ability to go in grab your tickets and transfer them for you to your customer when they sell hence automatic fulfillment fulfillment being uh taking care of
(59:36) making sure your customer gets their tickets after a sale uh they will automatically fulfill that order for you so that number one you don't make any manual mistakes a manual mistake would be uh making a typo when you're typing in a customer's email address the customer doesn't get their tickets uh in time and uh they give you a nice big fat penalty uh because you typed one letter wrong in an email uh again mistakes are expensive so do yourself a favor take the 15 20 minutes set up automatic fulfillment if you do not know how or
(1:00:14) you can't find the tutorial on the listed website um chat with their support or send them an email they have a like condensed document that will give you a step-by-step guide on how to set up automatic fulfillment uh you would you need to set up or link any account that you are buying with for automatic fulfillment um that becomes a play once you start scaling and you have multiple accounts I do not recommend and I'm going to bold and underline if the account that you are using right this second is your person
(1:00:56) account that you also buy your own tickets that you attend to stuff on I would not recommend setting that account up for automatic fulfillment because there is a decent chance that it will automatically try to pull in tickets and put them up for sale that you bought with the intention of attending yourself um if that makes sense so I don't recommend linking up personal accounts um you should fresh accounts but take the time for automatic fulfillment that will help you uh with that delivery delay but it will help you with any kind
(1:01:33) of fulfillment and it's just a really time-saving thing uh to make your life a little easier on on that listed I have Auto fulfillment setup I think there's an option where it can pull into to your inventory but it'll not Auto list without you wanting to uh but yeah to your point it does skew your inventory when you have things in there which are all your personal things and then you have to go about deleting it or finding ways to remove it yep that is correct so that's the other thing is when you set this up and you link your accounts and
(1:02:07) listed when you buy something uh on Ticket Master it will automat instead of having to list you know to put them in your your uh point of sale uh your portal manually section row seat number find the event whatever uh it will automatically pull that in automatically and then all you have to do is price those tickets and then broadcast them and they go live but they don't go live until you make them go live but yes all the way around from the buying to the fulfilling uh automatic fulfillment is something you need to do don't do it a
(1:02:40) week from now don't say you're going to do it later just sit down and do it right now I promise you it will save you money at some point from a mistake that you would have made otherwise and just curious on that note are you also using the automation pricing like the optic or manually pricing so what point would you recommend scaling yeah of course so the the question is's asking listed has a feature it's called uptick Uh and essentially what that is is an algorithm where they their algorithm will price your tickets for you based on the
(1:03:16) current market I do not personally use or recommend uptick or automatic pricing here's why there is significant value in learning ticket markets and how to price how to price is probably one of the most difficult reading ticket markets and pricing accordingly um is one of the more difficult things in tickets to learn but it's also one of the most valuable skills to learn let me give you a very quick example um going all the way back to November 2022 which would be the original Taylor Swift IRS Tour on sales right before it
(1:03:57) kind of became the outof control thing that it was um when those tickets first went on sale uh they were selling on average for like three to 5x so like people that were buying tickets for 5075 they were flipping them for like 250 to 300 bucks great flip like great return um and so people thought they made out like a bandit they thought they did great uh they were very happy with themselves um those same people were [ __ ] their pants in April so four or five months later once the IRS tour had started and it and all the footage went
(1:04:39) up on Tik Tock and it got out of control and in Chicago it was a $2,000 nose bleed behind the stage um if you go look at the remaining aist to dates right now in Indianapolis Miami Toronto Vancouver Indianapolis is almost a $33,000 nose bleed that was a $60 ticket when it went on sale so the people that thought they did really great selling for 250 are now staring at their same tickets selling for $2,000 a piece and uh you know again no shame in making that money but again there is significant value in being able to learn
(1:05:26) how to price your tickets and reti markets on your own so I recommend pricing your tickets manually um and again when you have when you start to get hundreds or even thousands of tickets in your inventory uh pricing becomes a pain it is an everyday thing uh once you start scaling but again uh the automatic portion of this does you know again it's AI so it's not taking into account a lot of these variables that we're talking about it is strictly going on what the market is right now not what the market could be in you know
(1:06:08) six weeks or six months so I don't recommend using that and that was just an example of why um what other what other questions about uh deliver delays um that kind of you know the other big thing with delivery delays is and I and I apologize going back to listed in addition to pushing to all the marketplaces so your tickets show up on everywhere with one click in addition listed also pays you after you fulfill or deliver your tickets uh which is a significant difference if you list as just an individual on StubHub you do not
(1:06:54) get paid in until the event actually happens so if you are selling a Taylor Swift ticket for the December um Miami shows and you sell that ticket today you will not get paid if you list it as an individual until uh that show actually happens in December obviously that's a big pain with listed because there was no delivery delay there you'd be able to fulfill that order today you'd get paid like s to1 days from now which again is a big deal when you're talking about cash flow um so with the delivery delay you need to keep in mind if there is a
(1:07:35) long delivery delay like this one we're talking about uh for Sabrina Carpenter where you could you know I don't remember exactly when the Montreal show is let's say it's in October you will you know there's a 24-hour delivery delay you won't be able to transfer or fulfill that order until 24 hours before the show which means the earliest you're going to get paid is 24 hours you know seven days after that that point so um you know you definitely want to keep delivery delays in mind um because they do affect your cash flow and ability to
(1:08:09) fulfill orders it is important to note that a delivery delay is different from a non-transferable tour non-transferable tour essentially means that transfer will never open um the only way to access those tickets is through the account that was per they were purchased on um I don't recommend new people buying non-transferable tours because yes you can you can list it as what's called um account surrender which is exactly what it sounds like but again we just spent 45 minutes talking about how important and sometimes expensive those Ticket
(1:08:54) Master accounts are so why the hell are you going to give one up for one sale so that you can do a non-transferable tour nine times out of 10 um that is not going to be worth it in the long run right your best and I will just say this and I'm not looking to open the floodgates here there are ways there are Services where you can take a non-transferable ticket and and essentially create a an apple wet link um but again that there's a lot of other things uh that are a little more advanced there uh it opens you up to
(1:09:37) potential issues and stuff so I'm acknowledging yes that exists there are solutions for it um it those Solutions create a bunch of unnecessary risk for people that are just starting out uh so if anybody's interested in talking to me those because that you're a little more advanced you want to start buying non-transferable tours whatever I'm happy to have that conversation over DM not because it's or in the chat whatever not because it's illegal or um anything like that but just because I don't I don't want to bore you with it tonight
(1:10:13) because a we're already at an hour and a half uh and B because um it's not going to apply to anyone who is not a little uh a little familiar with buying and selling tickets so for the most part when you and I will make it very clear go back to my writeup from last week about Luke Colmes at the Gorge and and just read all the the bolded texts and stuff where I make it clear over and over and over again please do not buy this tour unless you are familiar with non-transferable tours or are ready to do account surrender um but again you
(1:10:52) can look on that Ticket Master event page and look at the extra info in the upper leftand corner and it will all it will if a tour is non-transferable it will have a paragraph if you it will have a paragraph about being non-transferable um it will say something like in order to prevent reselling the artist has requested that tickets can only be sold on The Ticket Master fan exchange which is essentially A Ticket Master place where fans can buy and sell tickets for no more than what they paid for it so if you go to the Luke Colmes Ticket
(1:11:28) Master page for the show at the Gorge in Washington state and look at that extra info in the upper lefthand corner you will find that paragraph about non-transferable um but again you always want to read through your delivery methods when you are carding and checking out tickets during a drop because um we usually know ahead of time but sometimes they sneak it in at the last minute about being non-transferable um but again a delivery delay and non-transferable are totally different things even though Ticket Master
(1:12:07) sometimes uses interchangeable language about them which can confuse you if you are new but if you ever have a question about something being non-transferable send me a DM tag me in chat I will be happy to walk you through it and get tell you everything I know about what's going on um we are at the 90 minute Mark which I feel like no one should have to listen to me talk that long except for my wife so I do want to wrap it up because your time is valuable and I appreciate everybody being here this long what other questions do we have Jordan I
(1:12:42) think I covered everything that you threw at me does anybody else have any specific questions something we talked about tonight yeah go ahead what's the upcoming event if you know what's the upcoming event um you know that's that's always a tough question because um unlike some other areas in resale uh that might you know you know 30 days or a couple weeks in advance when it's going to drop typically music tours um and sporting stuff are not tours are not announced until two to three days before they go on sale sometimes they'll announce a
(1:13:24) tour at a.m. in the morning and tickets will go on sale that day at noon so the reason that I don't typically post my writeups until the night before is because typically we don't have a huge lead time on um on stuff that is going on sale but in an effort to be helpful um the rest of the year I do think we'll have a couple of big tours you know I think we will get something from Harry Styles I think we will get something from Miley Cyrus um um let's see uh we just had post Malone um you know typically you know uh
(1:14:05) tickets Works in Seasons right so in during the summer shows that went on sale in January and February the summer tours are happening right now so there's not a ton of people announcing uh tours in the summer but um as you get into the tail end of summer so like the end of July into like the first couple weeks of August into September that is when you're going to get a lot of announcements for November December January February March April of next year um so you know they uh right now we're doing about one maybe two calls a
(1:14:49) week but there are certainly times in the busier times of the year where we may do three to five uh calls a week which may not sound like a lot but when each of those calls covers 20 or 30 different tour dates it becomes a whole lot so um you know if I had to guess if I had to speculate uh I would say Harry Styles um you know we did just get some new Eagles some additional Eagles dates at the sphere in Las Vegas I believe these are shows 17 18 19 20 H there is a sign up for those again that is a sign up you will need extra
(1:15:30) phone numbers for if you want to do multiple accounts um but uh I will post info on that that's not till next week but again the major players that I think will announce a tour uh if I had the guest I would say Miley Cyrus uh or Harry Styles and then uh maybe a Beyonce tour as well um but yeah I don't uh I don't have anything confirmed right this second but you know we we we will always see and and I will always post what I know I wanted to mention for Drew I tagged you in the voice chat chat uh we do have like the ticket feed Channel
(1:16:13) where we have like hundreds of artists that we're scraping Twitter for for keywords like tour announces stuff like that yep so you can regularly look through there and see like stuff that's been announced and we'll add more artists as we go yep chi I also wanted to ask before you wrap it up do you personally sell or buy and sell outside of North America and what's your opinion about like buy and sell in Europe because I know some places have different uh legalities for buying and selling tickets sure absolutely great
(1:16:42) question I want to Circle back to what he what Jordan just said about that feed that that that is scraping all of those uh Twitter accounts that is a fantastic way to just keep up with who's going on tour I I I believe that Jordan expanded that after the last call in which uh we were talking about how to do research and and I mentioned uh accounts on Twitter and and stuff like that but again um I would recommend subscribing to that channel maybe not push notifications because I assume it's a lot of a lot of content but go through
(1:17:19) that channel a couple times a week because you know I the calls that I recommend um I you know there are days where there are literally thousands of events going on sale I as one human being and not am not able to cover every single event that goes on sale every day that is just not possible um I try to essentially cherry-pick the stuff that I am comfortable enough thinking they will make money not in just in general but they are able to make money with lots of people buying them because obviously I'm recommending to a bunch of people so if
(1:18:01) you're ever wondering uh why didn't you call this you missed that number one I um I don't have a lot of blind spots I do have some blind spots with stuff I'm not great about EDM I'm not great about Latin music um but also there are days uh you know I last Friday I want to say there were 2300 events going on salees so essentially what I do on a day like that is I go through all 2,300 of those events and I pull out what I think uh is kind of the best of the best um but again you never know what you will find looking through those scraped accounts
(1:18:41) on Twitter tour announcements pre-sales all sorts of stuff uh and the people that really are going to make the money here my writeups are great my calls are great if you are only following what I am recommending um that's fine but the people that really learn this for themselves and start learning how to find their own stuff to buy based on the skills and Concepts that I'm teaching uh those are the people that really really excel in this space so I encourage you to to expand Beyond just what I'm recommending because I'm not able to
(1:19:19) cover it all by myself so take some time uh dm with Jordan if you need to uh about that is a very valuable Channel I did not want to just skip over that because a lot of people don't even realize what a useful tool that is um I will actually start subscribing to that uh channel so I get notifications about it because I will want to peek through there as well uh now on to the last question about International stuff um here is here is here is my stance on International typically I do not mess around with International
(1:19:57) personally just because International is playing by a different set of rules there are certain countries like uh Switzerland Ireland that have super duper strict laws on resale um and because of the physical distance between here and there uh figuring navigating those is sometimes is is a lot more difficult when you're in the states um and and so I don't recommend I don't buy a lot of European stuff anyway uh the other thing about European events um they are only listed you know and therefore stub hop vivot seats all the American ticket
(1:20:47) exchanges where you sell they have international events but they're they only have international events that have significant interest in the US what I mean by that is the Taylor Swift dates all of those are on StubHub all those International shows because they significant entrance you know it's the it's the biggest tour of all time uh a lot of people are traveling from the US uh another example is like the NFL games that they play overseas in London or Germany uh that has a lot of us-based interests so they will include those for
(1:21:22) sale as well but if you do not have that significant us interest if it is a uh an international artist that may not be as popular in the US or what what have you uh then you will not be able to use listed you'll have to use a site called viogo which is v like Victor i a g goo via goo and essentially that is the European StubHub uh listed does not work with viagogo and you have to list everything manually it is a very poorly designed website it has terrible UI and you don't get paid until laugh of the event no matter what so European events
(1:22:01) um I'm only buying like the top 1% uh those NFL games Taylor Swift if you know when major major things are happening overseas I will buy and I will do writeups for them but typically there are it's just a different set of rules over there um and so I do not dive into uh I don't dive into International Stu stuff just because a lot of the time it creates more headaches than it's actually worth and because a lot of people that I'm that I'm uh interacting with and recommending stuff to are on the newer side the last thing I want to
(1:22:37) do is put you in a situation that creates a headache so part of my job in my writeups is trying to choose and tailor this entire overwhelming thing down to a handful of things that I think are going to do well but also that are very minimal uh on the potential headaches that could arise because um you can make all the money in the world but if you have to give it back because of some variable you didn't realize then it doesn't do you any good right so um if you're wondering why I don't do it I know that other people do International
(1:23:16) stuff that's cool it's not my thing um I've been doing this long enough 20 plus years that I decided that I would rather miss out on something because there was a potential headache than try to participate and fomo in and and get myself in a situation that uh becomes a pain in the ass so that's kind of my stance on it you will see the occasional UK it will probably be a handful of them maybe two or three of them a year um but those are the reasons why Beauty um guys I I been I feel like I've been talking for hours on end I uh I
(1:23:59) appreciate everyone's questions thank you sincerely I love talking about this stuff uh I love uh educating people on this thing this is the only thing I have done as a career since I was 16 years old and I am 39 now so I have been doing this a long time I love it so much and I love helping you all make money so um thank you so much for listening to me talk if you have questions or something you didn't want to didn't think about right now or didn't want to ask in public send me a DM tag me in chat um I try to be a same day DM responder I do
(1:24:35) get behind sometimes but uh I try to be pretty diligent about responding please uh always DM me tag me in chat if you need something um I will have I will likely have at least one right up tonight uh we'll have some info about eagles at sphere which is next week there is a sign up with a unique code so make sure you look out for that and sign up for Eagles uh that'll be next week and you will need a unique code so make sure you sign up and don't put it off um any other last minute questions before I get out of
(1:25:07) here Jordan thank you for helping me through this thing being transcribing and recording and uh keeping me on track I appreciate it um let's uh decide on a date for next month very soon and again guys thank you so much for the time and listening to what I have to say and if you have any questions I'm a DM or a Tag Away thank you have a great night and let's make some money this week appreciate you all so much thanks thanks always very appreciated thank you man appreciate it uh looking forward to it next month
(1:25:41) thanks guys have a great night thank you take care thank you
may work for OTPs to do the initial account setup. 75 cents USD per message
with FireFox browser will be a viable option that I've heard other ticket brokers use as well