May 20, 2025; General Q&A

Video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2373xyhoKf8

Summary

Veteran broker Chokey hosts a ~100-minute Discord call aimed at both newcomers and seasoned ticket resellers. He opens with credentials—23 years in the trenches, including eight at Ticketmaster—then runs a live Q&A that spirals into four key themes:

1. Beating Ticketmaster’s anti-bot arsenal. Ticketmaster constantly tweaks fingerprinting, queue logic, and “browser-pause” traps. Casual multi-accounting on the same IP is dead; dedicated proxies (ideally a private subnet) and purpose-built browsers like Insomniac or Jansy are table stakes. Even then, expect cat-and-mouse downtime.

2. Current event intel. US Open tennis pre-sales are under-bought gold because wealthy fans drive late demand. NBA YoungBoy’s first arena run is overpriced—skip it. Billie Eilish non-transfer shows are risky everywhere except states that legally force transfer (NY, IL, CO). Read the write-ups, respect the price ceilings, and never assume a sell-out equals profit.

3. Emerging opportunities. Mandatory “all-in” pricing from Biden’s executive order is good for consumers but forces sellers to rethink comp scanning. Summer lull is the time to mine overlooked niches—especially college-football away games sold on Paciolan, not Ticketmaster. Early rumors beat headline news; set Google Alerts for “announces tour,” “sold out,” etc.

4. Practical workflow & scaling. New sellers should practice queues for free, buy only transferable pairs, list through Listed for one-click distribution, and exit inventory whenever cashflow—or an added show—dictates. Advanced users: use multi-profile browsers, containerized proxies, and monitor in-server tools (e.g., a coming Walmart auto-checkout extension) to stack wins across verticals.

Throughout, Chokey stresses risk management: non-transfer tickets can strand you, face values can kill margin, and tickets have a hard expiry—unlike sneakers or GPUs—so hesitation is punished. The call ends with moderators walking true beginners through server resources, basic checkout drills, and tech setups, plus a teaser for in-house automation tools that will soon expand beyond tickets to retail flips.

Bottom line: master the tech, price with discipline, chase overlooked inventory, and stay plugged into real-time intel—or get buried by smarter queues.

Video Transcript

(00:00) Oh, yeah. It was just me and Jordan shooting [ __ ] for 20 minutes last week. Um, all right. I'm going to jump right into it because we got, uh, an audience and, uh, I don't want to I don't want to keep y'all any longer than I have to. Um, so, uh, thank you all for joining. Um, my name is Chokei.

(00:23) I am your ticket provider. I know some of you have done this with us before. I heard that at least one person uh has not done this with us before and might be new to the space, which is totally okay. Um just to give you a little background about myself and why uh you should give a [ __ ] about anything I have to say.

(00:41) Um this is my 23rd year doing tickets. I sold my first ticket in 2002. Um, and uh, I worked for Ticketmaster for 8 years and then I also did all of the ticketing for uh, WWE live events uh, for a couple of years as well. So, I've been around the block a couple of times and uh, have been on both sides of the coin as far as the secondary and then uh, the primary uh, picket markets as well.

(01:14) Um, as far as this goes, um, I try to keep it real casual. Um, there's not going to be any uh slides or uh homework or anything like that. If you have a question or if something that I say doesn't make sense, I do tend to uh speak in uh ticketbased lingo uh without realizing it. So, if something I say doesn't make sense or doesn't register, feel free to interrupt me or um pop in the voice chat chat and uh speak up if you have a question.

(01:42) If something triggers a question, um totally cool. I will open the floor uh at various points during the session for you guys to ask questions. Um and also so I can catch my breath and pour myself a drink. Um the way these things tend to go is the more questions that you guys ask, the better discussion we have uh and the more that everybody gets out of it.

(02:09) Um I have a couple of topics that I want to talk about. I am mostly just shooting from the hip. Uh, so if if you have questions or something I say triggers a question, feel free to speak up. If you are not in a place where you can talk or are shy, feel free to use uh that chat channel and Jordan will relay those to me.

(02:29) Um, and since we do have someone new, I am um obviously going to uh talk a lot about kind of what we've already done and what we continue to do. I will throw in some kind of new beginner stuff. Uh I, you know, tickets is a great space. There's a lot to learn. Uh but it can be very intimidating, but um as a lot of people have realized, this can be either kind of a side hustle um or a you know, easily a full-time situation.

(03:03) It has been my full-time job since I was 16 years old. So um there is a lot a lot a lot of money to be made. Um, so if you are looking for a new revenue source, this is certainly an option for you. Um, so with that said, Jordan, you always kick us off with a couple of good questions. What you got? What can we talk about this week? Um, what kind of stuff do you have? I don't have any particular uh like generalization questions.

(03:35) Uh well rather I might because somebody uh had actually asked in one of our chats here a couple days ago about utiliz he's not here but he might watch the session. He was wondering about utilizing ticket master on the same internet connection but different devices or like even like on like a same browser without proxies like how viable that is.

(03:58) So like say like maybe like maybe different Chrome profiles between like two and three accounts. for sure. Um, you know, the easy Go ahead, finish. And then I also wanted to also get your thoughts on the US Open coming up. Sure. Yeah. Um, so, you know, we'll we'll kind of do a very simple answer for the first part.

(04:18) Um, you know, I've said this before, I'll say it again. Ticket Master is is the smartest opponent that you will ever face in the resale space. Uh, it's not an IP. It's not Walmart or Best Buy that you can kind of just bulldo um bulldo through. Uh ticket master is incredibly smart and they are constantly changing stuff on the back end to make it difficult for resellers.

(04:41) Uh so it's a constant cat-and- mouse game. My you know my personal first of all util using multiple devices on the same internet connection is is pretty much worthless. Uh, I don't even think you may not even be able to join a queue more than once on the same device. I mean, if you really wanted to stretch it out, you could do like you could do like Wi-Fi on on one device or um on one device and then like LTE or you know uh just cell phone service without Wi-Fi with Wi-Fi turned off on a mobile device.

(05:18) But that again, even that's not going to be super efficient. um you know there I I realize that not everybody wants to dive into this thing head first but in order to be relatively competitive um you know proxies are needed uh you know and yeah I would not say could you do it shortterm sure while you're learning a little bit absolutely is it going to be anything uh close to a long-term solution absolutely not it it will not take super long for um those accounts to be linked and then you know as we know once they get linked um you

(06:00) kind of get tossed in the back of the line and then it becomes very difficult to obtain inventory. So you know short answer is no. I know everyone's looking for like a shortcut um or shortcuts on how to get around some of this more difficult stuff. Um, I will say that, you know, email OTP seems to be I'm not going to call it permanent, but it it's back and it hasn't gone anywhere.

(06:23) So, email OTP, while you need a separate phone number to create a new ticket master account, once you verify it, you can use email OTP uh to join those cues. So, email OTP, uh, you know, the positive is it kind of lowers the threshold of entry for some of the newer folks because you don't need a divi, you know, a phone number to a unique phone number for each account to enter a queue.

(06:55) But um the the counterpoint of that is because the the threshold is lowered um it it has resulted already in as we saw anybody who queued up for Billy Isish today uh you know 200,000 people in Q because it's easier for people to enter multiple accounts in Q with that email OTP option. So you know my my short answer is no. Um, you can certainly you can certainly run that into the ground uh to start, but it's not going to be anything close to a long-term solution.

(07:28) Um, and then for US Open, um, uh, if I recall, the American Express, I'm assuming you're talking tennis, is that right? Not golf, correct? Yeah. So, the American Express pre-sale, I want to say, is at the end of the month, um, the 29th, maybe. It's one of my open tabs that I need to go back and review. But I believe the American Express pre-sale is at the end of the month and then the the public sale is shortly thereafter.

(07:55) Um, you know, I love the US Open. Uh, tennis is not a really mainstream sport. Um, and so you a lot of people don't buy it because they don't understand it, they don't watch it, they don't follow it. Um, and so there's there's tons of money to be made because it's no secret that people that attend the US Open uh are of a certain demographic and usually um have plenty of money.

(08:20) So, anyone that was following along last year, the US Open was super hot last year for various reasons. Um, you know, US Open I can can get hot for for a lot of reasons. The same reason that sports get hot. um anything from good weather to um the storylines going into the US Open which may not be super um known right now but um yeah we will definitely talk US Open there you know it it's like uh I don't recall how many games go on sale but it's something like 30 sessions um and each session has like two matches in it so there'll be like a noon session then

(09:00) like a 400 p.m. session then maybe like a 7:00 p.m. Um, and so it's a lot of content. Uh, and so we will definitely talk about that closer to that American Express pre-sale. Uh, I think the US Open is underbought every year. It might get a little more attention this year because it did well last year.

(09:22) Uh, tickets tend to go in patterns. So if if you know La Palooa is doing great this year because the lineup, uh, next year everybody will buy Laala Palooa. think, you know, remembering how great it was this year and La Plus will probably be a stinker next year and then nobody will buy it the following year and it'll probably do well.

(09:43) So things uh big events like that tend to go in those kind of patterns, but yes, we will talk about US Open. Um it's it's a great thing to look into. Um and again, that's one of those things I always harp on. Um, you know, part of tickets is not just buying tickets and selling tickets. It's staying on the cusp uh of of pop culture, of sports, of anything that is d, you know, directly or indirectly related to live events, which is a lot of stuff.

(10:14) Um, and so keeping up with, you know, if you buy US Open tickets, you need to keep up with tennis to know how to price or read the market or, you know, get the most out of your US Open tickets. So, um, yeah, we will definitely talk US Open. There's lots of money to be made. Um, they're they're expensive, but, uh, the American Express, uh, pre-sale uh, normally has a very solid a lotment.

(10:39) American Express is a huge deal with the US Open. Uh, and so they've been the ticket the ticket sponsor for as long as I can remember. So, um, yes, we'll definitely talk about that. And I believe that pre-sales on the 29th, um, maybe a day or two after or before. But, uh, yeah, we will definitely talk about that.

(11:04) It's a it's a great event to buy. Uh, anything else, Jordan? Not from my end. Nope. Cool. Um, okay. So, just, you know, a couple of things that I wanted to talk about last week, but we'll revisit this week. Um, you know, last month we talked about the executive order uh that was issued relating to tickets. It definitely popped up in your feed uh somewhere with uh you know, Kid Rock and his wonderful outfit and all the things they're going to do to change ticketing.

(11:38) And we talked about that a little bit and I said, "Look, you know, I don't have a crystal ball, but my guess is that uh this will result in less like we're going to cap resale on tickets and more transparency about fees and just transparency in ticketing um to begin with. Uh and and so we have already started to see that kind of transpiring.

(12:04) Uh if you haven't noticed or heard, um all of the resale sites have been forced to do uh all-in pricing. And so what that means is that the final price that you'll see at checkout is shown upfront. Um which is great for consumers, right? Um if you're buying tickets, it's nice to know, you know, be able to scroll through hundreds of listings and kind of know what you're going to pay instead of finding out that you owe an extra 20% at checkout.

(12:30) Here's where it gets a little dicey for us is um obviously the fee uh if you if you're listing if you're listing tickets for $100 a piece on StubHub and your StubHub fee is 10%. I'm using even numbers. Um you know, obviously that ticket that shows at $100, you're going to get paid out $90 on that.

(12:54) And so it it makes pricing a little more complicated and difficult because you kind of have to mentally work out uh you can't you can't just look at you can't just blindly look at uh what prices look like on StubHub and price based on what you see because you're you're going to be higher uh you're going to be a little higher than the market because that fee is built in if that makes sense.

(13:20) So it makes pricing for us a little more difficult. I will say that that for me personally, pricing has been very annoying the last seven days or so because you kind of have to you kind of have to consider that for every price. Um, but I think overall it's a net positive. Um, if if it if it benefits consumers, they are going to feel more comfortable buying tickets.

(13:40) Uh, and that's always a net positive for us, right? Um, so that's kind of something that's come out of um that whole Trump circus. Um, you know, again, Kid Rock is making big threats and making big statements about what he's going to do. Uh, what people don't know is that Kid Rock is probably the number one culprit of scalping his own tickets.

(14:04) And I say that because I have been in the room when I was a ticket master of those back door deals happening. So, I personally don't really I think he's blowing a bunch of smoke and that, you know, he's going to he's he's saying he's going to cap resale at X% and stuff. I I think that's a bunch of [ __ ] We will see.

(14:24) But, uh I am personally not I've got a lot of DMs about people asking if I'm worried about this. Uh this is the end of ticketing. Um I've been in this industry for like I said 20 plus years. every five or six years or so, there is some scandal, some incident that triggers stuff like this. Um there's never been an executive order like the one that was issued, but there's a bunch of hoopla and at the end of the day, um a couple of small changes were made and nothing really changes big time. So, not super worried about that

(14:53) at all. Um so, that's kind of housekeeping stuff. Um I want to talk a little bit about we had two big on sales today. Both those writeups were done and posted yesterday. Um the first one was for uh NBA Young Boy. Um and you know that's an arena tour and you typically my rule is uh aside from the top tier talent in hiphop, Drake, uh etc.

(15:22) Uh I don't uh I don't usually buy uh rappers in arenas. Um I it just doesn't work out more often than not. Um, I made an exception here because it was his first headlining tour ever. He's been in jail for like five or six years. Um, so there's some pent up demand to see him and uh there was some real big online hype.

(15:46) I think his Instagram announcement of the tour got like almost a million likes on Instagram, which is pretty insane. Um, and so we we had some price ceilings um to go by today and then we got in there and and and NBA Young Boy is trying to make up for lost time by charging just insane [ __ ] Uh, I saw, you know, he had floors at like $800.

(16:10) I saw lowers at $500. I saw uppers at like $170. Um, and and that tour is a great example of why um why I put those price ceilings in my writeup. You can like a tour all day long, right? Uh tour can can be great, but at the end of the day, no matter how in demand a tour is, if it's too expensive, then there's no meat on the bone for you to make any money.

(16:41) Um, and so no matter how, you know, a a show selling out does not always translate to a show making money on the secondary. Uh, and that's really important and that is something that people forget about a lot of the time. People assume that just because a show is sold out, uh, means that people are cleaning up on the secondary with resale.

(17:02) And that's just not how it works. That's not realistic. There are plenty of shows uh Travis Scott looking at your dumbass uh that that go way under face and lose money even though they are sold out. So, um I did not buy any young, you know, I did not buy any Young Boy today. Uh it was way way way over my price ceilings. Um, and so, uh, yeah, and and so that that kind of brings me to, you know, I talked about this a little bit last time, but in the last 30 days or so, Ticket Master had took away the ability to see the price range ahead of time.

(17:39) Uh, you used to be able to look at their source code and and see the the what the cheapest ticket would be and the most expensive ticket. Um, and it's a lot easier to fill in the blanks once you have kind of the highest and lowest point. They took that away. So when I'm making doing these writeups and making these price ceilings, I am literally I have no nothing to go on, nothing to base off of except for, you know, my experience and if the artist has scored previously, you know, that kind of precedent. Um NBA Young Boy has never

(18:11) done a headlining tour. I had nothing to go off of. Um and his prices were like double that price ceiling. So, it's important to when you're reading my writeups, it's important to consider that just because uh I like a tour or think it's going to do well, um it's got to be at the right price point to make money.

(18:35) So, that is why I include the price ceilings that and I also include them because I'm not necessarily able to do cart checks for a specific uh inventory during a busy on sale. I'm managing a you know a team of 10 people myself so I don't have time to do that. So I try to include that. So it's kind of a self part check for you um to do in real time.

(18:58) So that would have been something that you know there is there's a there's certainly some money to be made. I think uh there were some $60 and $70 upper level nose bleeds for Young Boy, but overall I think it was too expensive. Um, it's certainly doing okay right this second. But, uh, yeah. So, uh, did anyone end up taking any or search Young Boy this morning? Did anyone end up taking anything? Okay.

(19:28) Uh, yeah, I'm in the same boat. So, the other big on sale that we had today was the Billy Isish tour. Uh, that was announced yesterday. Um, obviously that's a monster monster tour. It's the second leg of her tour. uh it's a nontransfer tour. And so for those of you who have not done that or experienced that before, I I you know made it very clear that my recommendation was for you to stay uh in New York only.

(19:56) Uh and for those of you that do not know, the reason for that is there are like four states in the country um that uh prohibit the restriction of transfer for live events. Those states are New York State, uh Illinois, uh Colorado, and maybe one other one. So, shows in Denver, shows in Chicago, shows in New York City, um when there's a non-transfer tour, those are going to be the safe places to buy because you will have the option to transfer.

(20:32) Um the downside there is uh typically when that happens and for Billy Isish uh you have you have more people than usual piling on their resources to those shows that allow transfer. So those shows are a little heavier on the supply on the secondary because everybody uh is kind of bottlenecked into those shows. Um, there are ways to do non- transfer.

(20:57) Um, you know, it comes with a lot of risk. Uh, a lot of risk. I outline some of that in my write up. Um, and so, yeah, if you're new to the space, I I I try to steer you far far away from that. Not because I'm trying to gatekeep anything, uh, but because, uh, you know, it comes with experience and it's not something that you want to do when you're first starting out because you could get burned very badly. So, um, yeah.

(21:23) I mean, Billy, we have another pre-sale. We have a public pre-sale on, what is today? Tuesday. We have a public pre-sale on, uh, tomorrow. And then, um, I believe we have a public sale on Thursday. Today required an American Express card or, uh, Billy sent out unique codes to people that bought her 2022 tour.

(21:51) Um, and so if you were lucky enough to get one of those, then you could have participated as well. Um, but again, like I mentioned earlier, uh, very very large cues. I think I had a queue of 180,000 at some point today. So really, really big cues. Um, and you know, you I will outline some of the pricing before the pre-sale of kind of where things stand.

(22:14) Uh, but some of those shows are like a $250 nosebleleed right now. Um, and you know, Billy Isish is kind of in a a league of uh a league at the top as far as uh fan base goes. She is uh she is really really really redot right now. So, um if you did not were not able to participate because you didn't have an American Express card, you didn't get a unique code.

(22:38) Um we there will be a pre-sale I believe tomorrow um with a generic code that I will provide you. uh if you were around, I definitely recommend searching that um because that is probably going to be a situation where you would take almost anything that you were able to cart that was not a platinum ticket or involved in a VIP package.

(23:05) Uh prices look very strong right now in most places despite her doing multiple shows. Um, I do still think that she will add shows in some cities, but that is kind of to be determined. Um, so with that said, um, do we have any questions about anything that we've talked about, ticket legislation, uh, Billy Isish, Young Boy, anything else happening this week? Any other topic? I want to open the floor for a second so I can catch my breath.

(23:34) Um, does anyone have any questions or something they would like to talk about as it stands right now? Hey, Chokei. Uh, I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about the differences between Jansy and Insomniac. I've been running into some issues when creating new accounts, uh, like getting browser paused even before I can create the account or the new accounts instantly get browser paused.

(24:03) And if that's like a JNC thing or proxy thing cuz it seems to work a little bit better when I use uh individual Chrome sessions like I'll launch it with a proxy switcher in Chrome and create it there and then bring it to Jansy. That seems to work a little bit better better. Sure. Um yeah, great question. So just kind of some some um just some back some backstory on some context here.

(24:28) Um, Jansancy and Insomniac are two web browsers that are specifically built with tickets in mind. Uh, the big kind of highlight for both of them is, uh, it makes it so that each tab that you open acts as a new device or exposed to. So, you load proxies into this thing. Um, it acts like a normal web browser, but each tab acts like you're you have pulled out a new laptop.

(24:56) Uh, and so it allows you to when you have a bunch of different accounts, it allows you to intercue and manage those accounts at the same time. I do really want to clarify that um it is not these are not bots and uh I do not condone botting. Uh I don't participate uh and I don't really enjoy talking about it. I'm happy to talk about the logistics of it and what's legal and what's not.

(25:25) Uh but I I don't uh I don't enjoy talking about like how to bot or where or anything like that. Um yes, they exist. Yes, they break all the time uh and stop working because like I said, Ticket Master is always uh kind of tweaking things on the back end. Uh but yeah, the um these are both browsers that still require manual human behavior.

(25:50) Uh it just makes juggling multiple accounts easier. Um, so Jansancy is kind of the lower end one of these. Um, a little history lesson, Insomniac was around for almost 10 years without any kind of competition. Uh, it is the gold pretty much the gold standard of um, this kind of situation. Um, and uh, it it did not have any competition until kind of the the Discord dev community got into ticketing post pandemic, Taylor Swift, Morgan Wallen, all of that stuff.

(26:29) Uh, that encouraged a bunch of people from Discord to get involved in ticketing. Uh, and that is where Jansy came from. Um, and so Jansy runs at I believe $100 a month. Insomniac runs at a much more expensive like $400 a month. Um, and so, uh, the, and I I want to preface this by saying that, you know, I've I've already revealed kind of my age range here.

(26:57) Uh, I'm not quite boomer, but the the, uh, nitty-gritty tech technological stuff uh, is not my specialty. I I have a team of like two tech, really tech guys that that walk me through this stuff and help me. So, I don't have a ton of technical answers for you. Uh, but this is kind of what I have gathered over the last 6 months or so is that essentially um both Jansy and Insomniac cannot seem to figure out how not to leak data quote unquote so that the protections that you're supposed to receive uh when Ticket Master makes a tweak it

(27:43) will essentially create a minor data leak uh to where you're not as protected as you're supposed to be. Um, it is quickly patched up. Uh, but the problem is, uh, Jansy and Insomniac are both kind of playing catchup to ticket master instead of staying ahead of them. Um, and yeah, so it's it is definitely it definitely could be a proxy situation.

(28:15) Um I will say that if you are just using regular like ISP pro like a pro batch of proxies that is undoubtedly being shared with other folks um you know that is certainly going to give you more issues than like a a private subnet where all of those IPs are going to be um you know for you and you alone. Um, you know, I am, let's see, how do I want to put this? Um, I'm not affiliated with any any proxy company at all.

(28:49) Um, I personally use, uh, Proxy Heaven. Uh, proxyheaven.io. Uh, I use their subnet. Um, I I pay the same rate that you do for it. Uh, I really enjoy it. It's it's it's very very good. And also the biggest thing for me is it works on both AXS and ticket master which almost I have not found another proxy uh company that that consistently works on both of those.

(29:18) Um, so proxy is definitely part of it, but one of the unfortunate situations is, uh, over the last year or so, Ticket Master has kind of figured out how to give Jansy and and and, um, Insomniac some some trouble with those browser paused messages. Um, and I know you're looking for you're asking about a solution. What I will tell you is that everybody deals with this.

(29:50) Um, everybody, uh, you know, typically, um, typically I, um, you know, I certainly get browser pause sometimes when I'm using Insomniac. Um, you know, I have to kind of, uh, you can, you can like refresh the proxy to a new proxy in the session. So you can um refresh the page and it'll refresh on a new proxy. Sometimes I have to do that um you know two or three times to get it to to work.

(30:16) Sometimes it doesn't want to work and so I just have to close out of Insomniac and and open it with a new proxy um and and that will work. But yeah, there are definitely mornings where I can't even, you know, there are mornings where I need to like or evenings where I need to do a write up and all I need is that seating chart to put in my post and I can't even get to Ticket Master to like get that seating chart.

(30:39) Uh it is infuriating. So I will say you are not the only person um you are not the only person that runs into these issues. Um and but I you know I do think that uh I I think at this point it is pretty safe to say that using a subnet uh that is dedicated to you and you only uh is certainly a step a large step towards um getting less browser paused than um than using kind of a batch of proxies, you know, just a batch of 50 ISB proxies.

(31:15) Um, and yeah, so that you know, I we can talk about that a little more in DM Med. Um, but yeah, I don't have a solution for you, but I would certainly say that uh proxies definitely make a difference and if you're not using a subnet that you you definitely should probably look at that. Hey, thank you. I appreciate that.

(31:42) Send me a DM also, Med. Um, we can talk more about this. Um, but yeah, I uh yeah, it's it's it's a frustrating situation, believe me. Um, I get it. Uh, but yeah, it's kind of something that, uh, a lot of people are dealing with. Um, you know, some everyone's kind of got their own method.

(32:05) It's kind of like the old Nintendo games, like, you know, blow on the cartridge and everybody's got their own solution. Um, some people have said that like if you go to another website, if you go to YouTube and uh play a video for 15 seconds and then go to ticket master instead of just directly trying to go to an event page that it will be uh better.

(32:27) Um, but yeah, little stuff like that. Uh, everyone's kind of developed their own little bro science around what what will help that situation. Um, I'm convinced that Ticket Master has like a security knob they can turn up and down based on traffic and how big um how you know how many high-profile on sales are happening that day.

(32:46) Um, and so when it's when it's turned way up, it becomes very very very difficult and frustrating trying to navigate that. But, um, you know, again, we can talk more about that in DM, but just know that that's kind of everything that I know about it. And, uh, yeah, we can chat a little more about it in DMs. Yeah, I'll shoot you a DM for sure.

(33:04) Thank you. Sure, man. Oh, outside of the like browser pause though, is there any features that really make uh Insomniac stand out compared to Jansy? At this point, I would probably say no. Um, a year ago, I would probably say that Insomniac was a lot more secure uh at the affforementioned data leaking than Jansy was.

(33:29) um the the fingerprinting if you will, but at this point uh I think I I you know I have I've never used Jansancy because uh I've just used Insomniac for a decade plus and I don't my I'm all my whole setup is on that. So I didn't want to have to redo that. Um but everything that I've heard so like recently is that that Jansy is almost unusable uh in its current form um with you know just everything going on.

(34:01) Uh so what I have kind of gathered is that the main difference is the fingerprinting uh but even that is uh you know uh not not great sometimes. Um, as far as features go, uh, no, there there is no magic feature that really makes up that price difference. Uh, you know, Jansy has the ability to do the automatic OTPs and link up through IMAP, which a lot of people enjoy.

(34:28) Um, that's a little too close to the line of botting for me. Uh, so, you know, I don't know, Insomniac still. Are you Have you used Insomniac or you've only used Jansy? Yeah, I've only ever used JNC. Okay. I don't know if Insomniac still does their free trial, but I would certain, you know, look, it's a monthly thing and and I certainly uh the setup for Insomniac is is much much much simpler than the setup for Jansy.

(34:59) Um it is certainly worth taking it for a spin for a month. You know, it's not like you sign, you know, you get locked in for a year. Um they may still offer a free trial. I'm not sure. But, you know, it's uh it's really an old school verse new school thing. Um the the older, you know, the older boomer brokers uh have been using, you know, Insomniac forever and and don't want change and the new, you know, the new kind of wave of people coming in the industry scoff at a $450 price tag and go with Jansy.

(35:35) So um you know I can't speak directly about um about using Jansy because I haven't uh but obviously I I talked to a lot of people in extensively who have um so the fingerprinting is the big thing. The features are you know there are a couple of nice features. Um, Insomniac has a feature that you can um, if you have multiple people, like like a team of people, they can it's a feature that they can send you like a cart to cart check like in the browser and you can just click yes or no.

(36:08) Um, which is cool, but like that's not applicable to some people. So, or a lot of people. So, there are differences. I would certainly say it's worth taking it for a spin. Um, you know, uh, you know, hell, if they don't offer if they don't, you know, if they don't offer a free trial, um, I, you know, I'd be even willing to let you take my copy for a spin for like an on sale day and you can just see how you like it.

(36:33) Um, I I don't think that would cause any issues, but yeah, it's certainly worth just like educating yourself about, but everything that I've understood from people that are currently using Jansy is that it's becoming more and more unusable by the decks. Okay, that sounds great. Thank you. I really appreciate that. Of course. Of course.

(36:54) Um, any other questions about anything um that folks might have or want to talk about? Um, all right. And I don't, you know, I'm trying to think. We might have, uh, you know, we've got a couple more pre-sales happening this week. Um, we might have another fresh write up, one more fresh write up. Um, depending on a couple of things.

(37:28) But you know we are entering a time where uh obviously January, February and even March is really busy with shows that are going on sale for the summer which we've almost arrived at. So sometimes the the summer uh the months of June and July get a little slower just because the shows that have already gone on sale are happening.

(37:56) And then come August and September, we start getting um announcements for uh children that are happening in Q3 and Q4. One thing that I do want, you know, uh I've said this before, I'll say it again. Um there are, you know, there are days where literally thousands of different ticket events go on sale. And so it'd be impossible for me to do a write up on all of them.

(38:20) I try to do all the hard work and filter that that long list of stuff down and whittle it down to um a couple of kind of highlights for the week for y'all. Uh but one thing that I do want to put on anyone's radar who wants to kind of dig a little deeper uh than kind of my calls and um and that is we are about to enter the season of college football and college football starts in August and college football is a an underbought sport because there are literally like what a hundred division one or close to a hundred division 1

(39:04) college football teams um you know a lot of your big uh Bohemoth teams Alabama Texas Notre Dame you know they all require these big big big donations to get season tickets $10,000 $15,000 um and so it prices a lot of people out and it's it's it's very daunting uh to kind of dissect and so a lot of people don't buy college football.

(39:32) And here is kind of my recommendation for those of you who are looking to take this a little further than what we're doing right now and go a little bit beyond my calls. Um, you know, college football is a there could be a big there could be big money makers for college football. Here is how here's how I would advise tackling it.

(39:51) um is college football is a rare sport that announces their schedule like three seasons in advance. Like you can go you can go find who Alabama is playing in like the 2027 season. Uh which is really great because it kind of gives you a forecast of what the schedule looks like. So like we talked about the big big teams that everybody knows and and kind of everybody immedately jumps to Texas, Alabama, Notre Dame, etc.

(40:19) um those those are kind of out of reach, right? You know, we're not donating $15,000 to get a pair of season tickets for Alabama. However, um what you would want want to look at is who does Alabama play on the road, especially in like the first couple weeks of the season, the first month of the season.

(40:40) A lot of times these big teams will play Alabama will play like Idaho State and it's going to be a 69 to nothing game, right? But the point is, it can certainly be a hot ticket because when Alabama comes to town, everyone in Idaho State, it's a big [ __ ] deal. Um, and so my recommendation is kind of the reverse psychology that you might might be your first inkling, which is, oh, I want Alabama season tickets.

(41:12) Instead of that, go through the schedules for some of these big teams that have huge followings. Even people that don't follow sports heavily know that Notre Dame has a huge following. Alabama, South Carolina, you know, Texas, these teams that have won national championships in the last 10 years. Go look at their road schedule for this season or even next season and you might be able to find you can definitely find a couple of needles in the haystack of smaller um non- major schools that might have an on sale a public on sale. Um and a lot most of

(41:55) almost all of those public on sales happen in June and July. Uh, you might also be able to find this information on the Alabama um website as far as like this is when our away games go on sale, but essentially you'd be looking at the away schedule for teams that are noticeably popular and you know there are probably 30 teams that you could go through and you would go through and make a spreadsheet of when the onset sales uh would happen for these games.

(42:33) We will talk about some of them. Um, you know, there's always one or two big picket matches or on sales that happen uh for college football, but for those of you that are looking to dive a little deeper, that is something that you can do on your own time. That's a pretty extensive project of kind of going through one by one those big college football teams and finding um finding away games uh that that might be going on sale in June and July.

(43:05) Also, there might be teams that have tickets that go on sale, not on ticket master, uh that will put their home games on sale. And uh that is definitely something that you should look at as well. Most uh all college football uses uh a site called Pacolan, P A C I O L A N. Uh they handle all the ticketing for all of the college universities in the States.

(43:35) Um, and so most uh most most your on sales that they're not happening on ticket master are going to happen on Pacolan. And so my advice overall is to um you know look up look up uh the last 10 years of college football and who's made it to the college football playoff, who's won the national championship game, who's you know and pick out 25 teams that might have a significant ticket. Go look at their home.

(44:05) go explore their website. If they have they might have a public sale announced uh you know July 27th is when all of our home games go on sale. Make note of that. Uh go look at the away schedule and go check out those teams. And so it'll end up being like 50 or 60 teams that you can explore which which will take you more time than you think.

(44:28) But I guarantee you if you put in some hours on college football, you will stumble upon uh one or two on sales and especially they're not on Ticketm, the chances are very high that those on sales will go under the radar because people are not willing to dig deep enough to find stuff like that.

(44:51) And so for those of you who might be frustrated by the whole hoopla of ticket master and the accounts and the cues and the phone numbers and the all of the pieces of that puzzle that you know it's it's exhausting and I hear you. For those of you that are kind of having frustration with that um my advice is let's you know there are so many things that go on sale not on ticket master.

(45:20) Uh, college football is a big one, uh, college football is probably the biggest um, live event entity that that goes on sale primarily off ticket master. And so the the deeper you dig into something like college football, I guarantee and now is the time to start doing that because teams start doing on sales as early as like the middle to end of June.

(45:43) Um, and then also a lot of them happen in July. Um, so for those of you that uh want to dig a little deeper, that is a project that you can do. You can always DM me and and kind of get my feedback on, hey, I, you know, I stumbled upon this. What are your thoughts? Um, chances are I have either owned season tickets or bought for whatever team is involved.

(46:07) So, I can certainly give a little insight. Um but yeah, that is something that's kind of under the radar because it requires some digging and some work and um we will certainly talk about the highlights of that over the next couple of months, but there are lots of Easter eggs and gems that are waiting to be found um off of ticket master for some of those college football teams.

(46:34) Uh for just to give you an example, um you know, for those of you that keep up with college football, you know that Deion Sanders uh is the coach of Colorado. His son played at Colorado at quarterback. Um you know, Colorado vers Colorado State before all the hoopla about um about uh Deion Sanders. Colorado vers is a huge rivalry game.

(47:00) Nobody cared about it before Deion Sanders came, but you could buy tickets for like $30 and they would flip for like$ 250. Um, and that's something that's not on a lot of people's radar. It is now because of Dion, but that's the kind of stuff that, um, you don't have to be a sports fanatic.

(47:20) Uh, you know, you don't have to be a sports fanatic to know that when South Dakota and South Dakota State play each other, it's a huge football game. And guess how many people take the time to figure out when South Dakota vers Dakota State goes on sale? Not a ton, but there are dozens of little tiny rivalries in college football like that that uh really can make some money.

(47:46) And most of the time, especially for those non- major teams, co college football is a very affordable sport. Um, and because they are catering at the end of the day to college students and their families. Um, so college football, if you need something new to explore, um, that is a really, really good one.

(48:05) It will keep you busy. And there is so much I don't even know enough about college football as much as I should. Um, I might make that one of my goals this summer to really uh dive deep into college football. But for those of you that are looking for some under the radar stuff that maybe isn't covered anywhere else, you know, everybody's going to talk about Billy Isish, everybody's going to talk about, you know, a lot of the stuff, the big stuff that goes on sale.

(48:30) Uh, but finding stuff like that, when I say do your own research, that is the kind of stuff that I am referring to. Um, so any questions about college football or anything like that? Um, we will talk more about that. Uh, I will actually make a note to, uh, I'm going to do some diving on college football and for those of you that join us next month for our call, uh, I will have an update on what I found and not only that, but how I found it so that you can learn the process and not just, um, and not just kind of the result. But any

(49:04) questions about college football or any of those concepts that we just talked about? Ron, what do you mean by Bill Bich team? You might be talking about whatever team Bill Bich is. Where is he go? Is he going to a college team? Did he go to a college team? Is that what you're talking about? No. Um because trust me I'm new.

(49:34) I'm new to here. I'm just in here to listen. But for you talking about Dion and person flipping from the 30 250 I was like um maybe remember that Bill Bich going to a college football team. Yeah. And um so I'm just saying I'm just giving an idea. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Same idea, right? Um, you know, same idea of it and it it goes back to uh, you know, the the golden rule in like stocks and stuff is is buy the rumor, sell the news.

(50:09) Uh, you know, once once Bill Belch joined the team officially, um, then it's on everybody's radar, right? But like the smart people would have when the first rumor came out that Bill might join the team to start looking at tickets. Then to give you another example, obviously everybody now knows about Alexander Ovuchetkin breaking Wayne Gretzky's goal record this season.

(50:40) Um, and you know, no one really started talking about that heavily until like March, April. But like if you were smart, they were talking about it in November, December, that kind of stuff. You know, smart people started paying attention to that and buying that. The game that he broke the record ended up being like a $500 nose bleed um before the game.

(51:04) Stuff like that is, you know, you can't once everybody knows about it and it becomes public knowledge, then everybody tries to jump on the ship. Um, and so really the goal here, and this isn't picketing in general, the goal here is to find out about this kind of stuff to to be such to be so involved and and keep up with what's going on in pop culture and sports constantly that you know about that kind of stuff or hear about it or it's in your news feed.

(51:37) um you know before it becomes a household discussion or a water cooler discussion if that makes sense. Um one of the way you know I know that can be a daunting thing especially I know some of you don't follow sports. It may just not be your thing and that's cool. Sports are not required for tickets. Um but sports require a lot more research than some of these music artists.

(52:02) Uh, and so one of the things that I do personally that I think might help some of you all is I actually utilize the Google alerts feature. And what that is is you can go to like alerts.google.com or whatever it is. And you can set up an alert for any kind of phrase, resale, um, sold out, any kind of phrase like that. um announces four and then Google and you can set the frequency and Google will email you a collection of news articles from various sources that include those um phrases.

(52:42) So that way the information is coming to you more than you're having to go out and find it. Um, so if you're not utilizing the Google alerts feature, that is a great way to um get tailor some of that information so that it gets sent to you directly and then you can kind of look at it from there. Um, so yeah, I mean announces tour that might be a little, you know, overwhelming one.

(53:06) You'd have a lot of stuff to sip through, but that will give you a great um that would give you a lot of information about both good and bad tours that are getting announced. um sold out, pre-sale, those kind of things. If you're not utilizing that, I would encourage you to go check that out uh and see how you can get that to work for you, cuz that is a great feature that a lot of people don't even know existed.

(53:30) Uh where you can actually uh ask Google to send you news articles related to stuff that you're interested in. Um so that is just another thing that I do that I know a lot of people don't even know about. Um any questions? We're approaching an hour. I try to keep these things at an hour uh uh just for the sake of time. Um any questions uh before we put a bow on this thing about anything that we've talked about or anything else that might be on your mind uh as far as tickets or anything related? [Music] Just uh yeah, for Oh, sorry. No, no, no.

(54:15) Go ahead. Yeah, go ahead. Uh for like brand brand new people, what do you recommend we uh look into? Are the channels in the server we should look into or anything like that? Um yeah, Jordan will be able to help you with that a little bit. There's there is a ton of um there's a ton of resource in the server.

(54:36) Um my DMs are open if you you know if you have questions. Uh Jordan, uh you can what what kind of can you just rattle off some of the resources that we have? You know, uh all of the calls are recorded. Um you know, they are all about an hour long. Um some of it will definitely have some overlapping information. and I try to tailor it based on who's in here listening.

(54:59) But those are all a really great listen um to go back and listen to that because I don't talk about a ton of like uh timesensitive stuff. I talk more about kind of concepts and general things so they will still be relevant even though it's from 3 months ago. Um, but yeah, I, you know, one of the big things I think is that people have seen the Taylor Swift stuff.

(55:25) They've seen people post these insane sales they have. And a lot of people just say, "Well, I want to do that. It's just clicking buttons and then reselling." And, you know, tickets differ from whatever you flip right this second because they can't be returned. Um, you can't return them. And, uh, they have a literal expiration date.

(55:46) Uh, and so that kind of is where tickets differ from sneakers or PS5s or uh GPUs or whatever your thing is that you've been reselling. Um, you know, the expiration date is kind of unique to tickets. So, that is why it's super important to understand the concepts of what's going on. And you know, lot I know my reviews and my writeups are long um and wordy, but I do that because I try to answer any possible question that somebody might DM me.

(56:19) Uh so that so that all those questions are answered. Um but you know, I would definitely recommend actually reading them, not just skipping down to the what to buy section and skimming that paragraph cuz it's the sexiest paragraph there. like actually reading uh the other content in the write up because I put it there for a reason.

(56:42) Um I advise new people to read my calls like two or three times because they're wordy and you need to digest them. But here's the thing. Um when you're first starting out, uh joining a queue is free. You don't have to buy any tickets just cuz you enter a queue. Um, and so I would definitely recommend essentially reading my write up, understanding it, and then maybe jumping in that queue and basically practice carding tickets.

(57:12) Practice getting through a queue and then you've got, you know, you get to a queue and if you're in a stadium, you've got 50,000 plus pieces of unique inventory. That's the other thing about tickets is each seat in that venue, uh, if it's a seated venue, is going to be a unique piece of inventory. Um, and so practice just getting through queue, um, recognizing uh, kind of how the seating chart works, practice carding, that kind of stuff.

(57:43) You don't have to buy anything, but I would definitely recommend going through that process and getting comfortable with that process before you actually start jumping in unless it is something that is kind of a home run. Um, and I try to make my risk factor based on kind of how solid it is and also how many other variables are uh put in play.

(58:06) Uh, but anyway, you know, if you're first starting out, there's a ton of resource. Jordan can guide you. You can send me a DM. I'm happy to guide you as well. Um, but there's tons of resources based on what we've done for, you know, a year plus in here, uh, that you can go review, but also, uh, just practicing the Q process is, um, something that you can do for free and, uh, is certainly something where you can learn a lot before you actually start buying.

(58:36) Cool. Thank you. Absolutely. Yeah. Now, once we're at the tail end of the call here and Chokei uh bounces out, I can give you some additional tips, tricks, advice, somewhere to look. Sweet. Thanks. Anything else before we put a bow on this thing? I appreciate all you guys staying the whole time. Uh, nobody should really have to listen to me talk this much except for my wife.

(59:02) So, I appreciate all you guys um being here and sticking around. Um, so, uh, anything else that we want to talk about before we put a ball in this thing? So, you've never said it, Chroy, but adding up the math, uh, I take it you're 39 years old. I am. I turned 40 in February. 40 in February. Uh, thank you for that, you little [ __ ] Um, but no, yes, I am. Uh, I'm 39.

(59:32) Uh, and um, yeah, so I'm not quite boomer, but uh, you know, we're we're on the cusp. So I have boomer moments for sure. But uh, yeah, it's uh, yeah, tickets has been everything I've done since uh, like the 10th grade. So it's been it's been pretty much my whole life, it feels like. You're not you're not you're not that much older than uh, everybody here.

(59:53) Like we have some younger guys in here, but like some of us are are getting up there. That is really refreshing to hear because uh you know obviously the average discord user is like you know college age or even younger. So uh I definitely feel very old at some of those discussions. So it's very it's very refreshing to hear that.

(1:00:18) Um all right guys, I'm going to put a bow in this thing. Thank you guys for being here. Thanks for being part of it. I appreciate you all so much. My DMs are open. You may have to send me a friend request first. um either tag me in chat or uh send me a DM or a message request uh and I will be happy to help you.

(1:00:35) Jordan is uh Jordan's a fantastic owner. He will spend time helping you guys. Um any questions about anything we've talked about that you didn't feel comfortable asking tonight, feel free to DM me. I try to make myself a same day DM responder. Uh I do fly multiple times a week, so there are times where I will take uh more than a day to respond, but I try to be a 24-hour response person.

(1:00:55) Um, and yeah, we will do this again next week. Thank you all for being part of it. I appreciate it so much. Jordan, thank you as always. You're so good to me. I appreciate you. Um, and I will talk to you all very soon. Thanks so much. Have a good one, dude. Thank you, Julie. Thank you. You didn't leave immediately like last time.

(1:01:17) Uh, but Mr. Beck, did you want me to run you through a couple things? Yeah, sure. Where do I start? I mean, I'm probably not going to go deep, but like just getting some knowledge on it would be cool. Yeah. So, have you ever boughten a ticket before or sold a ticket at all? Never. Cool.

(1:01:35) So, like you've never purchased a ticket on ticket master at all or ever tried? No. Okay. So, the number one thing that I would recommend for you is we have a ticket section of the server. Uh, it's called the ticket hub. for the events that you want to primarily focus on would probably be the ones that have the strict green orbs.

(1:01:54) The green orbs would be the ones that are typically lower risk andor have a higher profit potential. So those would be the ones that you would probably want to focus on mainly. Um the other ones that get posted that like say have like a yellow or red orb, those can still be profitable, but they typically come with a bit of a higher risk attached to them, right? Uh, and then number two is if you check our git book, uh, are you familiar with our git book? Um, I don't think so.

(1:02:23) Cool. So, if you go into near the top of the server, there is a category called support and resources, and then there's a channel in there called guides and resources. Okay? So you can click on any of the Gitbook links in that channel and it'll take you to our Gitbook that has all of our prior recorded calls, our guides, and our resources and all that kind of stuff.

(1:02:47) So we do have some guides in there under the guide section for ticket guides that will help you learn a little bit of information about getting started. And then under the calls as well, we have the ticket calls that we've done with Chokei in the past. So if you want to sit down and listen to it in the background while you're doing stuff, you can learn a lot if you listen to those calls.

(1:03:07) Uh however, I understand not everybody has that time. So like there are summaries in each one of those calls that kind of give you a brief overview about what we discussed, but there's also a full transcript in each one of those each one of those um each one of those separate calls. So, what you can do if you want is you can literally take all those links, feed that into something like chat GPT and say, "Hey, I'm new at ticket reselling.

(1:03:31) Take all this information and tell me how I can get started." And it'll give you really good information on how you can get started. Very like condensed and summarized. That's crazy, bro. AI is a absolute hack. Yeah, 100%. It It's not It's It's not going to be perfect, but it's it's actually taking like those transcripts and pulling information from there.

(1:03:50) So like it may it may occasionally miss some context and you might like it it should reference like where it's pulling the information from. So you can go there and read that bit of the conversation. But in my experience it's generally pretty good. Um, but then yeah, from there, just like what Chokei said, um, when you see an event, even if you're not interested in it when you're first getting started, just open up a ticket master account when the event goes live, join the queue, and just learn the seating map,

(1:04:21) see how it operates, and then just try to cart some tickets. Because like when you first try carding some tickets, it's quite a pain in the ass and it's like it's not like second nature that you're following all these little [ __ ] dots around. They're disappearing all the time.

(1:04:37) And just try and grab any tickets, put them in your cart and don't check out. Just learn that process. And then got and then when you actually want to see about buying some tickets, then yeah, thoroughly read through the call. Make sure you know what kind of price ceilings you have and what in what sections and then what you can do is you can cart some tickets.

(1:04:59) You don't need to check out. You have about like it's like 8 to 10 minutes to check out before your cart expires. So your your cart's saved for you. If you're unsure, uh assuming that either myself or somebody else is available, you can pop in the ticket chat and just put a screenshot of the seats that you have and the price and just say, "Should I buy these?" and we'll give you opinion if they're a good buy or not if you're unsure.

(1:05:21) Okay. Yeah. And then from there it's just like a lot of um buying stuff, listing it, selling it, and then rinsing and repeating. Um yeah, and I'm obviously going to learn like where to resell, but where do you resell for the most part? You can resell like on any platforms like you can sell on like Ticket Master Resell, you can sell directly on StubHub, Vivicies, etc.

(1:05:46) But the easiest place to get started is probably through a company called Listed. So there's there's a channel in the Ticket Hub that says listed partnership. I don't actually get anything from it. You just get um I think it's faster on boarding, but it's just like it's a platform that lists your tickets for you on all those platforms automatically and then once it sells then it just removes all them from all the additional platforms for you.

(1:06:12) That's so busted. Yeah. So, like it's it's not super hard. Um, ticket reselling like it's not rocket science whatsoever. Like it's it's not super super difficult. Um, just like with anything else, it just takes a lot of consistency and I guess like in a in a sense a little bit of hard work, but like it's even so like it's not super hard until you start scaling.

(1:06:37) Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Well, thanks for running me through that. Yeah. And then Yeah. Like so a lot of events can be super profitable. Some of course they can always change and fluctuate. So we can't always say for sure that this event is going to for sure perform. But if you join something like Billy Isish and you follow Cho, especially like Chro calls, it's hard to lose money.

(1:07:01) It's not impossible because like things can always happen, but like with Billy Isish, she has such a demand that it's if you stay within his like recommendations, it's very very hard to lose money in situations like that. if you're going if you're going for like other other artists that things can fluctuate.

(1:07:18) They might get called out on the diddy list. They might add a bunch of additional shows. Those things might change things obviously, right? But cool. Where um it's totally just random. Um but where do you uh can you buy like UFC tickets on ticket master? Yeah, definitely. Yeah. like so all different kinds of events get released on the main platforms are ticket master live nation uh AXS those are the main ones and then sometimes we see um alternative platforms like ticket web or like some websites direct places like that but usually you're buying on ticket master

(1:07:57) or live nation and then occasionally on AXS or access I guess would be called yeah because fights kind of go crazy nowadays some of them for sure like again like with most things Don't get overhyped on things because yeah, it's all depends on if somebody is willing to pay an amount above the purchase price, right? And so like obviously if certain tickets or certain shows don't sell out, why would they pay you resale when they can go to ticket master and buy them for the regular retail price, right? Yeah. Yeah. And then I guess one of my

(1:08:34) last main questions, the rest I can research is um is how do returns work? You like how can you return and can people return to you? No returns. So like no returns no matter what. Correct. Um like with tickets you can technically buy ticket insurance so that you can like cancel quote unquote cancel and get your money back.

(1:08:57) Uh it's usually not recommended that you do that, but technically when you f first getting started, if you want to pay the additional amount, technically you can. Uh but you have to look at the terms of the insurance and make sure that like it's like any like you can cancel for any reason and like it doesn't have to be like a external force that causes you to cancel.

(1:09:18) Yeah. So like that's crazy. So like technically you can do that. Um, but then yeah, like with you selling tickets, it's just very highly regulated. So everything has to be disclosed properly. You you can't indicate like a a seat is like wide open view if it's like obstructed, which listed really helps you ensure that all those things are documented.

(1:09:43) And there's some other tools you can like check your seats to make sure that there's no obstructed views in the way. Um, and yeah, like it just you have to ensure that they're transferred to the customer or you can like get some heavy fines, but that's where something like listed comes in. They ensure that it's transferred to them.

(1:10:01) Gotcha. Gotcha. It's so crazy to me that like in this space, it's buying inventory that just poofs one day if you don't sell it, you know? That's crazy. Yeah. Uh but like on the flip side, it's inventory like you can basically sell it immediately. You don't have to hold any physical inventory.

(1:10:22) And yeah, like there's obviously a risk that it expires, but I guess it'd be similar to like buying Amazon inventory that has expiration dates, right? Because once it's once it's gone, it doesn't really have any value anymore. So like the operating expenses are like zero. What do you mean? Does listed cost money? Not not just uh be on the platform.

(1:10:43) They charge you a fee when you sell your tickets like any other platform would. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. I just meant like you don't need all these tools. You don't need like a prep center. You don't need nothing. No. When you first get started, you don't need any expenses. You can literally just have one account on your browser and that's it.

(1:10:59) You don't need to incur any expenses beside your actual cost of your inventory. That's crazy. Cool. Well, thanks for walking me through that. Appreciate it. Of course, bro. Um, one thing I did want to mention because Chokei had mentioned it about Google alerts. Um, something that already exists in the server that I've been testing for a while is for us to get notifications directly in the server through Google alerts for different keywords. I already have it working.

(1:11:26) It's already in the server. We can already get like any keywords that we want through Google News. Um, I'm just working with one of our developers to make it better because like I've been trying for testing tracking different keywords for like trending on Tik Tok and viral things whenever to find like certain unique flip opportunities and like some of our pings that are coming through, they're not coming through right when the articles are posted, which is what I want.

(1:11:53) I don't want any delay. Like if it gets posted like that minute, I want that ping that minute and not like an hour or so later. So ideally eventually we should have that feature available in here and then we can add in those feeds and like the the ticket section and other sections of the server as well. Yeah, that's Hey Jordan, I have a question.

(1:12:20) Um, what is your typical hold on on an event? Does it usually try to sell it a month out of the event date or you try to um reach a specific ROI that you look for? Um it really depends on you, your cash flow, how the events are performing, how many tickets at the market, if there's additional shows that are being added, like all different kinds of things.

(1:12:48) For me personally, I've always tried to sell them as quickly as I could. I know with somebody like uh Med who's in the in the conversation here, he has held a lot of inventory for like closer to like the day because a lot of inventory like it'll start uh selling out as the shows come up closer and like when you're like a week or two out all of a sudden like a lot of shows you start seeing a lot of spikes, but there's a lot of additional risk um associated with that because if it doesn't happen or more inventories uh flooded onto the market, etc., you might

(1:13:18) be at a higher risk of getting stuck with some things. So, I try to sell it as quickly as I can. Like, ideally, I'm going to buy it and if I can, I'm going to try to sell it within like a week. Uh, but that's not always possible. And sometimes things will dip or shows may not perform exactly how you're expecting.

(1:13:40) So then you just have to determine on if you're in this event for the long haul, if you believe that we might see an increased interest coming up to the show, and then determine on what you want to do with that inventory at that time. Got it. And do you usually moni monitor this like just by keeping updated with um I guess added shows or are you monitoring the price of it on a weekly basis or? So, I'm probably not a great one to ask because I buy stuff and then I put it somewhere and sometimes I don't pay attention to it for a while. I've even

(1:14:17) had like some of my payments like after I sell something unlisted come to me and you get an email about these payments and you're supposed to accept them and I literally just let them expire because I get so [ __ ] busy. So, uh I you end up getting paid anyway, but I've had that happen with many many payments.

(1:14:33) Uh but yeah, like if you're wanting to actually monitor it, it's it's relatively easy like on like the listed platform, it has all your inventory in a nice little neat dashboard and you can very easily uh there's quick hyperlinks where you can open up like StubHub or Vivid Seats and you can see other competitive inventory, what they're priced at.

(1:14:52) So it's relatively easy to monitor like in your section what your current uh section is expected to sell for. And there are some automatic repricers that are uh available on listed as well that you can utilize or you can just literally just monitor and adjust it. It's not like I wouldn't say it's quite like Amazon where it's like super super important to be very competitive all the time.

(1:15:19) Uh of course that plays a role, but it's not like you don't need to monitor your pricing 247 like you do with Amazon in my opinion. Right. Right. Got it. That was helpful. Uh Ethan, with your inventory, I know you mentioned recently that you're not going to hold on to shows as long as you had. Is that correct? Yeah.

(1:15:42) I've been kind of playing it by ear, I guess, and and for the last couple shows I've bought, I've actually just written down on paper kind of my thesis of what's going to happen. And uh I've been extra careful of added dates. I got really burnt on added dates. So, I've been kind of d-risking like if I get multiple um multiple tickets for events, I'll kind of sell off half right away and hold half hoping they increase.

(1:16:04) It kind of depends event by event. Yeah. And yeah, like you do things like that. Like say if you sell off half your inventory at like a average of 20% or 25% ROI and then you you're risking like your other half, chances are like some of your tickets may be unprofitable, but a good chunk may have a higher ROI, some might be a little bit lower.

(1:16:27) So then like your overall cost return basis is net higher in general. But it also depends on how many tickets you're buying too, right? If you're only buying like two or like a set of two or set of four tickets, you might not want to wait as long. Right. Right. Do you usually sell I mean purchase it in sets of twos or almost always.

(1:16:53) There's very rare exceptions that you should be purchasing individuals. Like there are some artists where it makes sense. Like Billy Isish, it'll probably make sense. Even if you go and get singles, it'll probably still make sense. But usually, generally speaking, like when people are buying tickets, they're usually buying them in sets of two or more, right? So, you want to buy like twos, threes, fours, etc.

(1:17:14) You want to buy multiacks, right? Um, if it's a general mission ticket, like just all standing or just, you know, general mission in general, usually that doesn't matter. And then with select artists, but usually you want to buy in multiples and also sell in multiples so you're not left with mult you're not left with just singles.

(1:17:36) Got it. And when you sell them too, you can also have um options on listed. It just it tells you that like never leave like a single ticket. You can choose that option so that somebody like if you have three, somebody can't buy two. They have to buy all three. Right. Have you bought and sold any tickets at all locked? Uh personal use I have.

(1:18:03) Um, I've been on cues, uh, just from the leads that were posted. Mhm. Um, but then by the time I got into checking out, uh, most of them were gone. I forgot which one it was. It was about like a month and a half ago. Um, but then I haven't I've been monitoring it here and there. Like the Billy Eish one kind of looked into once he said they're non-transferable.

(1:18:29) I kind of didn't want to take the risk. Um the NBA Young Boy I don't I'm just assuming but like I don't think it'll perform that well just based off um yeah like as you mentioned it was just like arenas and then um yeah I'm just monitoring for now but uh I've been in cues just haven't really purchased anything yet for to resell.

(1:18:53) Yeah. So like with Billy Isish like so everybody else that's in here that's has never bought a ticket. um if a ticket is non- transferable that just means that like you can't transfer out of your account. So generally speaking when you can still sell those tickets but generally speaking you kind of have to usually forfeit that ticket master account and that's usually not something that somebody that's just getting started probably wants to do.

(1:19:18) Uh but if you look at Billy Iish like it says specifically in there uh it's going to be transfer restricted except for the UBS arena in New York. So, if you are looking at Billy Eyish, especially with the public sale on the 22nd, uh look at that arena because then you don't have to worry about it. Right. Right.

(1:19:38) But like when you're checking out like so there's a few things. Um when you open up a ticket master page or Live Nation, whatever, uh when you actually click into the event, you have some pieces of information that pop up on a screen. So, like you'll have um let me just pull up one here and I'll walk you through it here.

(1:20:00) So, basically every event has this when you open it up. It says more info at the top and then also quite often there is a what you need to know that pops up as well. So, if tickets are non-transferable or if there's special requirements for a ticket, it'll typically be in that little box that pops up or under the more info tab when you open that guy up.

(1:20:21) It'll tell you if tickets are non- transferable. It'll take tell you if there's a limit for how many tickets you can purchase per account, those types of things. Uh, but are you sharing your screen? I'm not. No. Oh, do you want me to? No, no, no. You're referencing something. I was a bit confused, but yeah. Sorry, go ahead. Yeah.

(1:20:41) So, uh I can share my screen right now. Just give me a second. Uh so I open up the weekend here. Let's open share my screen. So yeah, let me know if you can see my screen. Yeah, it's just loading. Um yeah, I can see it. Cool. So yeah, when you open up an event like this, like so typically I'll see if it um if I refresh my page, if that little popup comes back up.

(1:21:12) So yeah, sometimes you'll have a a pop-up like this that'll tell you some information. Sometimes it's not relevant. And then also when you click more info here, it'll tell you some additional information about the event. So it'll tell you if there's a limit for the amount of tickets, tells you the lineup.

(1:21:30) It'll typically tell you in here if uh tickets are transfer restricted, all those types of things. But one thing that you also want to do is when you're carting tickets, so like you don't want to panic when you check out. Once you have them in your cart, you have time. You have like 8 to 10ish minutes usually before your cart expires.

(1:21:47) And your tickets are reserved for you in that time. When you have your tickets in your cart, just review everything that it says on the page because it'll tell you if it's transfer restricted, if there will call, all those types of things. If you're unsure about something, you can ask or just back out of the cart. Uh, but it'll tell you, it'll have like the language in there if it'll tell you if they are transfer restricted.

(1:22:08) Got it. So, once you have them carted, like a lot of people will panic when they're carting tickets, which that's fine. You want to try and get in your cart, but once you have them carded and just slow down and just look at everything and just read through what everything that you see, just make sure that everything is good. Right. Right.

(1:22:24) Like a correct venue and such. Yeah. Make sure it's the venue that you want. it's the the seats, the section, and the price ceiling that you want. Uh, make sure that it doesn't say that they're non-transferable. Uh, make sure that it doesn't say will call. So, like will call would mean that you typically have to like physically pick up the tickets, which you probably don't want.

(1:22:46) And yeah, with all that, like usually choke is pretty good, especially with including all information just because he's very experienced and you'll have like an idea of like that's going to happen. Mhm. Uh but sometimes things can happen and we're we we don't really know about it like venues can change, artists can change, etc.

(1:23:04) So you just want to make sure that you just pay attention when you are checking out. Got it. Yeah. Sorry, one last question. when an event has is scheduled in an an arena for more than one day like let's say on um Monday Tuesday Thursday or Monday Tuesday Wednesday Wednesday like is there preference on which day you would prefer like would you rather go on the Tuesday rather than the Monday or is there like a it all depend it all depends on the artist uh generally speaking like so like say if it's somebody like Billy Isish for example if there's backtoback

(1:23:41) days, grab anything and everything that you can. If it's somebody that's less popular, uh generally speaking, like if they're back to back in the same arena, number one is you want to ensure that they're they can support that many tickets, right? Not a lot of artists can unless it's like a smaller arena, right? Um, but then like say if you have like a Monday, Wednesday, Thursday or Monday, Thursday, Friday or whatever the cases may be, usually I'm more going to be preferencing the ones that are closer to the weekend, like Friday, Saturday shows

(1:24:17) because those are going to be the ones that typically have more demand in general. Right. Right. Makes sense because people are going to be off of work. Right. Right. Yeah. Awesome. Yeah, really helpful. Thank you. Yeah. And then um yeah, when you're when you're queuing um chances are you probably only have one account. That's cool.

(1:24:44) If you want to say try multiple accounts. The purpose of that is just so you have better chances of getting a better Q position, right? That's that's like that's like the main thing. and to like get more tickets. But like when you're first starting is more so just to make sure that you have a better chance of getting in a good queue position so that you have a chance of purchasing tickets um higher likelihood.

(1:25:05) So right when you're first doing it, just start off with your one account and then if you want to try expanding that a little bit, have one of your friends or family members sign up for a ticket master account. tell them to give you your uh tell them to give you that info. And then for like two, three, probably even like fourish accounts, opening up multiple Chrome profiles will probably be fine.

(1:25:33) So like not even on like different proxies, not even on different uh addresses, but having just a couple different Chrome profiles. I have found that it works fine. Once you start expand Yeah, once you start expanding past that, you'll probably have issues with Q. Um, but with just a couple accounts, you'll be fine. So then you just have a better a better chance and then you don't have to invest in any fancy tools, proxy stuff like that.

(1:25:57) No, that's really good to know. Yeah. And like some accounts just by default, they're going to have uh better queue positions and some like get better que positions for like almost every show. Like I when I first started I had a I had like five accounts that had absolute [ __ ] Q positions every show I got into like I couldn't get anything.

(1:26:17) Uh and then sometimes like sometimes that will rotate and then all a sudden those guys after a while will start getting better Q positions. Uh but some some accounts are just blessed for for a while and they just consistently get good Q's. Um but like it rotates consistently. It at least it should.

(1:26:32) So you just have to keep trying. Right. the ones that performed well. Was it more of an aged account? Like you've had that Gmail account for quite some time and has quite a bit traffic on it or in theory like those should be better. Um for the ones that I have tried, I have not found that to be the case. Oh, it's just been hit or miss.

(1:26:55) Yeah, it just it's it seems completely random. Like there's obviously things that happen in the back end. Um but nobody nobody can tell you for sure on how ticket master's Q system works because they keep it relatively secret and they do they do it for they do it for good reason so people can't manipulate it. That makes sense. Yeah.

(1:27:18) I mean it seems more straightforward than dealing with Pokemon Center right now. Pokemon center pain in the ass. Oh man. Yeah. But yeah, like once like say like just say for example like say if you start scaling tickets a little bit uh you might even look into like just um instead of getting fancy browsers to begin with you might just look into like multicontainers if you're expanding accounts because multicontainers like say like Firefox multicontainers with individual proxies that works that 100% works for ticket

(1:27:50) master. you're you're essentially like it's just a it's a free extension and you basically assign like a different proxy to each quote unquote container and it acts as essentially its own device and you can do that for free minus the cost of your proxies. learning those things like that's not important when you first get started, but learning those things like if you decide to scale it, I think it's a relatively good skill to have because you can translate that to something like Pokemon Center to to utilize uh more manual cops if you're not body.

(1:28:22) You can certainly you can transfer those skills, right? Sorry, what's the extension called? Is it just for Fox or Brave as well? Um, Brave is a Chromiumbi based extension or browser. So any Chrome extensions that exist for Brave are in Google Chrome. I believe there are some some Chrome extensions that exist uh for like individual containers, but the one that's the most popular that I know works is it's just called uh multi multicontainer I believe for Firefox.

(1:28:56) Let me just double check here. Multicontainer Firefox. Yeah, for Chrome. I've I've used multiple Chrome profiles with BP proxy switcher, too. And that seems to work pretty well for Chrome. There we go. BP proxy switcher. Yeah, it seems create a new Chrome profile and then download that extension and put your proxy into that and then it'll use your proxy on the web browser.

(1:29:22) Awesome. Thanks. Yeah. And the Firefox one is it's just called Firefox multi-account containers and it's obviously for the Firefox browser. But yeah, when you're first getting started, like none of that's necessary. Just join some cues, learn a cart, some tickets, and then because if you're trying to run multiple accounts off the hop, you're going to get super overwhelmed.

(1:29:45) Uh just start with one account and then once you get the feel for it, you feel like you can carve some tickets and you kind of know what you're doing, then slowly scale from there. Yeah, cuz the last queue I tried to get into, I believe, was a Lady Gaga one, and by the time I was able to check out, like most of the like the $100 or to like 80 to $100 or 120 were gone.

(1:30:12) So, I just uh didn't even check out. Yeah. And that's So, I guess crying, right? Yeah. That's that's kind of just part of it. That's part of the learning process. And like when we get shitty cues, we can get shafted, right? That's just that's just part of it, right? It can be it can be frustrating when you first get started if you don't get lucky off the hop, but if you want to like actually make it work, then you have to you have to keep trying.

(1:30:37) Really? Okay, that makes sense. Mhm. Uh complete side note, but did anybody see that announcement that I made today about the extension that we're that we're putting together? Oh, for the Walmart checkout. Yeah. Yeah. Um, that sounds pretty uh interesting. Can't wait till it gets released. Mhm.

(1:31:05) I think it has very very good potential. I've already seen it working. So, is it for like um is it like more of a set it and forget it where like let's just say an item goes into stock every few hours. you don't really have to necessarily have to monitor it. It'll just do it for you if it was able to catch it at that time.

(1:31:27) So version there's there's going to be two separate things. So version one is going to be selfmonitored. So basically you're going to have a skew list for like say Walmart, you're going to put in whatever SKs you you want it to activate on. So like say the 151 booster bundles. Those like literally just those restocked on Amazon, but like say they restocked on Walmart.

(1:31:47) Um you're gonna have your skew list. Then basically as soon as you open up that skew, it's going to start the check out process for you for your max quantity and it's going to completely check out for you. So, so version one is going to be self like you're you're going to have to do it manually. You're going have to initiate it manually.

(1:32:08) Version version version two which I already know can work. we just have to test it more and debug it more is it's going we're going to connect it to essentially our flip restocks channel and so it's it's going to act almost as like an acco bot but like where with acco bots what they're doing is they're actively monitoring those web pages like they're consistently refreshing them and waiting for them to restock so they're typically going to be quicker um right but that involves having to use proxy fees and different forms of monitoring.

(1:32:46) Whereas with this, it's going to monitor the flip restocks channel and then if it sees your skew in there that you added, then it'll just check out for you. So, as long as you have your browser open and the extension live, it'll do that process entirely for you. Oh, that's really cool. Yeah. So, it'll it probably won't have as much success as a acco bot, but there's going to be situations where I can see some ACOs um when they fail, like when they have when they have issues.

(1:33:17) This one will this one will still work. And it'll also just increase your general odds. Like, if you're if you can manually cop something, this is just going to increase those odds greatly. Yeah. That's going to be really helpful for sure. There's already a few things I can I have in mind that I would use that for or a few items. So, yeah.

(1:33:41) So, Walmart, I believe, from everything that we've done so far, it seems relatively easy. Like, I'm pretty sure we already have Walmart unlock. Um, Amazon should work okay. Amazon has some random issues where it's like something goes live and it stays live but doesn't let you add it to cart. So, we have to play around with that a little bit.

(1:34:03) And then I think I want to see if we can also make it work for Shopify because generally speaking, most Shopify sites they operate on the relative same principle when it comes to add to cart stuff. So, I believe we can probably make it work for Shopify too. Cool. When's it getting released? Do you know? Uh, version one.

(1:34:27) I don't want to say for sure, but version one, I'm hoping this week or next. And then we can start doing some testing with everybody and make sure that nothing breaks. Yeah, that's cool. Do you think it'll support like at least uh 20 30 people on it or even 50? It'll support as many as we want because it's going to be running locally native in your own browser. Right. Right. Yeah.

(1:34:57) So like the only thing that's going to be a bottleneck is if something in the extension itself breaks or if the website changes things on their back end like where like the add toart button is for example, right? Okay. If they shift it slightly or change the HTML behind it, then all a sudden we'd have to update that bot.

(1:35:18) But it it'll essentially just be a Chrome extension that you just download and then you can uh load into your own your own Google Chrome. It's not going to be through the Chrome store, so it's not going to be public. And then you can just have it run natively in your own browser. That's cool. Yeah, I think it should be pretty okay.

(1:35:42) No, for sure it's going to be helpful. I think it has really good potential. even even like especially for those that don't want to bot or just want to add on like an additional profile essentially. I think it'd be pretty helpful because like things like Walmart for example when they do some releases uh like say for Pokemon quite often like they'll be in stock for a little bit but it's a pain in the ass to do backtoback checkouts or you might not just be slightly quick enough and this will certainly help that and it'll help you

(1:36:12) quick out check out multiple backtoback a whole lot quicker right because instead of like monitoring the flip restock channel 24/7. You kind of just let her run the back end, right? Not be as attentive, I guess, which is pretty good. Yeah. Exciting, man. It should be should be all right.

(1:36:39) And then, who knows? Maybe maybe one day that'll even turn into its own uh own acco. Maybe we can compete with the big boys. You never know. Um, Medic, did you guys see about that? Any feedback? Yeah, I was reading that this morning. I'm I'm I'm excited to get going with that. I don't really have any any feedback right now, but I'm excited to try it out for sure.

(1:37:10) Yeah, I just got to try it out. Um, yeah, it it'll definitely help though because I'm quick on um pretty quick on like clicking links when restocks come in. So, if there's something that like auto checks out, like some Pokemon stuff that restocks, that would be sick cuz I haven't really dabbled in bots yet for Walmart, right? Like I'm, you know, dabbling in all the Pokemon, but I haven't gotten into botting yet.

(1:37:39) So this will be like a good middle ground basically. Yeah. Make it a good easy free intro to Exactly. Not quite as difficult either. Exactly. Yeah. Mhm. So yeah, I think it should be all right. And uh Beck uh we also should have it work for Walmart.com as well, in case you're wondering. Nice. We already have We already have Walmart.com working.

(1:38:08) Let's go. Go ship it. Let's go. Where is it? I'm just kidding. And I think I want to I I don't want to say for sure, but I think we can make it work for Target relatively easily. Oh [ __ ] Target's hard. I've never caught target manually for the the rare drops. I think it's like impossible. Target like it's super super watched, super botted.

(1:38:38) Um, but like like say if you ever see like a Target restock though and you click on it right away, you'll see it in stock for a second and it's gone. Right. Same with Amazon too. I don't think I've caught like any Pokemon on Amazon manually. Like by the time I click to see it's like unavailable blah blah blah. Amazon Canada like something is [ __ ] up with their checkout because even when things say like they're available for a long time.

(1:39:02) It's like it says like you can't complete the check out. Yeah, unless it's like delayed like the stock count on the actual listing is maybe delayed by like five minutes or some [ __ ] I don't know. Could be. I think but I haven't had any luck. I think it was this morning the 151 bundles restocked on Amazon. I was and it said like there's like maximum of 30.

(1:39:18) I was trying to [ __ ] check out 30 and it wasn't working. I was like you [ __ ] [ __ ] Yeah, dude. That would be so nice. Uh Ethan, do you bought Amazon Seattle? Um I used to back during like PS5s, but it's just been like such a pain in the ass. I I don't know if they still do it, but they used to like lock the accounts.

(1:39:41) You have to submit all this documentation. So, I'd be able to hit like hundreds of PS5s, like maybe like one or two shipped. So, I just I gave up after I started selling on Amazon. When you got all those uh prismatic blisters, where did you get those? Um, everything's from Walmart. All my Pokemon's Walmart and Pokemon Center. When you got like those 200 blister packs, those are all from Walmart.

(1:40:03) Yeah, those are all from Walmart. I saw you got like hit you hit like eight super premium collections on Walmart, too, right? I saw you posted success. That's crazy. I think uh only two seller shows. I set my quantity limit to eight, but uh I think the max quantity was only two, so it only shipped two. A that sucks.

(1:40:25) I mean, it's still good, but like, you know, it could have been better. Yeah, I I missed the initial. I don't even know. I didn't even see a restock pop up. I was just running and just happened to get it get a check out. So, it must have been a super small quantity cuz I'm I missed the initial I was I was crying, dude.

(1:40:41) I went downstairs and then I like it's every time I leave my computer something restocks and I miss it and I get sad. I was downstairs and then I come to my computer I'm like [ __ ] Oh yeah, I was up. Ethan, you're not in the gold team yet so you don't have the early links yet. Not yet. I'll be there soon. Did you manage to hit any Jordan on Walmart? No, I don't even think I was around on my computer when they dropped.

(1:41:08) Yeah. It's been pretty good though. I got my other super premium from that one site, the Trinity Hobby or whatever. That one came in today, so that was cool. Mine [ __ ] all my Gym Shark Gym Shark [ __ ] came in too. My Trinity Hobby went ship Canada Post and they said that they're supposed to show up on Friday and that's when the [ __ ] strike supposed to start. Oh no.

(1:41:30) So I hope they don't get delayed. Yeah.