February 20, 2025; General Q&A
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00:00 - Opening Remarks The host initiates a meeting, thanking everyone for joining and mentioning a desire to keep the session concise due to a busy schedule.
01:30 - Recent Concerts and Sales The discussion shifts to recent significant concert events, highlighting major acts like Beyoncé and Paul Simon. The narrator anticipates a wave of announcements and ticket sales over the next month.
04:20 - Ticket Selling Experiences Participants share experiences regarding ticket sales for artists like J-Hope and Jenny, expressing concerns over market prices dropping significantly after initial hype. The host reflects on the volatile nature of K-pop ticket prices, noting that hype tends to wear off after the initial wave of fan excitement.
12:10 - Specific Ticket Selling Strategies The conversation turns to actionable advice on when to sell tickets, emphasizing the recommendation to sell early, ideally within a week of purchase, due to price drops as concerts draw closer.
20:15 - Discussion on Ticketmaster Policies The dialogue shifts to the technicalities of account management and Ticketmaster's policies, including the need for distinct IPs and careful account creation.
28:50 - Upcoming Events and Strategies The final segment focuses on upcoming concerts, such as Blackpink's tour, with caution advised against oversaturation of ticket sales impacting profits. Participants emphasize the importance of market trends and managing cash flow amidst selling challenges.
45:00 - Closing Thoughts The host concludes the call, inviting future questions and suggesting upcoming discussions about ticket strategies, emphasizing the learning aspect of the business.
Video Summary: Insights on Ticket Reselling and Market Trends
Current Market Landscape High Profile Events: Recent major events include concerts from artists like Beyoncé and Paul Simon, indicating a busy market with increased demand for tickets.
K-Pop Insights: K-Pop concerts often see a high initial demand followed by a drastic decline, likely due to high prices and passionate but limited fanbases.
Market Dynamics: Tickets often drop in resale value after the initial sale period due to many fans securing tickets early, leading to a surplus in inventory.
Investment Strategies Early Sales Strategy: Resellers are advised to sell K-Pop tickets within the first week of their purchase as prices typically plummet thereafter.
Risk of Added Shows: Adding additional shows tends to dilute demand as the total supply increases. Limit purchases on second leg tours or added shows to reduce risk.
Cash Flow Management: Detailed strategies for managing ticket investments include evaluating potential losses versus gains and holding on to tickets only if they have steady demand.
Tips for Resellers Utilize Email Lists: Signing up for fan club or artist email lists can provide unique sale codes that allow access to better ticket pricing before public sales.
Track Inventory and Listings: Resellers should monitor ticket listings daily to recognize patterns in demand, which can inform selling strategies.
High Score Gmail Accounts: Creating Ticketmaster accounts associated with high score Gmail can improve chances of securing better spots in queues during ticket sales.
Insights on Popular Artists Beyoncé vs. The Weeknd: Beyoncé’s limited number of shows increases demand, while The Weeknd’s extensive lineup is spread across too many cities, affecting ticket price stability.
Paul Simon's Unique Selling Point: This artist is likely on his final tour, making his concert tickets a valuable investment despite his lower general popularity compared to younger artists.
Blackpink's Future Show: Cautious sentiments surround upcoming Blackpink tours, with predictions of a similar downward trajectory in ticket demand post-hype.
Process and Tools for Ticket Management Using Tech Tools: Resellers are encouraged to explore ticket management and pricing tools like Seat Data and Automate for tracking sales data and pricing strategies.
Proxies and Accounts: The importance of managing multiple Ticketmaster accounts securely to avoid being linked and risking bans.
Community Collaboration: Share resources and insights within the reseller community to maximize ticket sale opportunities and overall efficiency.
Key Takeaways Start Selling Early: React rapidly after ticket purchases to maximize profits before market saturation occurs.
Monitor and Analyze: Regularly analyze ticket market trends and listing changes to make informed sales decisions.
Stay Informed: Be proactive in learning about tools and strategies in ticket reselling to increase profitability while minimizing risks.
Final Thoughts and Questions to Consider How can you apply the insights discussed to improve your ticket reselling strategies? 🎟️
Are there other artists or shows that you believe have predictable patterns similar to those discussed? 🤔
(00:00) Jordan yes sir okay cool um I'm gonna kind of uh I'm probably going to put I'm going to try to do a little shorter one this time 45 minutes is uh depending on how things go um and we'll go from there uh appreciate you guys joining tonight um good to see you both uh or all three of you rather um I uh I want to talk a little bit about you know kind of what's been going on we've had a bunch of big ons sales we had Beyonce last week uh we've had Paul Simon this week we uh I still fully expect for the next uh 30
(00:40) days to kind of just be balls to the wall like it's been the last two to three weeks with just new announcements and signups and all sorts of stuff kind of happening uh several times a week um but I wanted to kind of just before we start do does anyone here Jordan do you you always have great questions kind of on behalf of the group um anyone else do we have any kind of questions just that are kind of lingering and we would like to knock out out of the gate um I have one or two one's more related to like some tickets I hold
(01:17) right now and other ones more tied to process related yeah yeah totally we can do both uh let's talk about the um let's talk about the ones you bought first and we'll go from there yeah so I'm kind of the two which I mean it's mainly Jenny and jho so I think with correct me if I'm wrong with uh was it J hope which one uh I mean I managed to sell some which I I made a decent amount on J hope and and on in one of in Brooklyn per se and Rosemount so then I go for one and you know I think based on the market I'm looking at it's down probably 50% I
(02:05) think the other one was I think Jenny where there was a lot of buildup and then I think you know they released the second date if I'm not mistaken one yeah that second date was just absolutely killer um all right so I W to I want to get to kind of your specific seats I want to talk good good let meish hey I have obviously automated pricing and it's you know getting closer to I think which event I think it's jny is happening March in March yeah so it's like what do what's kind of the positioning on that in terms of cool I know I'm going to
(02:46) take a loss the question is do I try to sell right now Lis or you know as as you get closer to much then you know things may Pi up sure uh lot to unpack there great question question glad you asked it first of all I mean I am also have a a pretty heavy position on I've gotten through almost all my Brooklyn J hope that's been okay but yeah my other J hope I am going to be underwater on and I'm going to be on a sinking ship with with Jenny so just know you're not alone we are in the same boat uh as far as just kind of um you know having
(03:25) positions on these shows um couple of things and most of this is just for Education it's uh for kind of learn you know I always if I take a big loss on something I always try to get at least some kind of lesson out of it so that I don't repeat it um so you know the the general rule and I really need to start um Bolding this when when we do writeups about uh K-pop because it applies almost every time uh Kpop almost like clockwork will be hot out of the gate for anywhere from like a couple of days to a week or
(04:01) two and then it will just fall off a cliff uh and just kind of stop dead in its tracks and seem like nobody cares or is buying at all I I don't know why that is my my my best guess is KPOP certainly has dieh hard fans I mean insane fans there's no secret about that I think once those insane fans secure their tickets uh K-pop has gotten so expensive that you're you're kind of middle of the road on the fence fans that are left over just wait for prices to drop because they're not going to pay that kind of money to see them they'd like to
(04:36) see them but it's not a life or death kind of thing um and K-pop has gotten so expensive and that's kind of the other that's the other uh thing is you know so those Jenny Orchestra tickets were $500 face and I kind of expected them to be more in like the 250 range um so you know K-pop has um has come out with big price tags recently um and there's always hype and that makes it hard right like everyone's hyping up these K-pop bands um comparing them to B BTS or the next big thing or whatever and it's hard not to get uh swept up in that and I get
(05:18) that because I get swept up in it too um you know the band right it's not the entire band coming through it's just one of the right yeah no it's just her which I'm just using that as a as um and and just him which also might play in a little bit here but I do want to link this at the end to to blackpink uh which we will have next week and I want to link this back around to blackpink um but anyway uh so let's see um you know first of all the hype train uh so if you buy K-pop my advice would always be to to aim to sell within uh uh
(05:57) 7 Days uh and I need to start putting that in my writeups as a reminder uh to myself especially um but uh K-pop you always want to uh very rarely I can't the only time I can think of a K-pop show getting hotter uh as the show approached is BTS uh but BTS is kind of an extreme outlier as far as K-pop is concerned there's nobody really on the the um the BTS level uh as far as K-pop is concerned so always soell early um as far as what you should actually do right now um I do not I do not for see this thing getting any better the only thing
(06:40) that's going to happen between now and beginning of March is people are going to kind of be in the same boat you are and start to just dump to dump them to get any kind of sale my advice and what I will probably do myself tonight as soon as we get off this call is I will probably sell everything I have to move um and you know I'm going to take a huge loss on it and I will Pro honestly I will probably take a break from K-pop personally after this I get caught up in the hype every time and um you know just get absolutely crushed so uh I would say
(07:23) it's not going to get any better I would probably Abandon Ship um and just kind of you know learn the lessons that can be learned um what I do want to say in a nice segue is we do have black pink that just announced a tour yesterday I don't think we have dates yet um already all around Discord it's it's it's getting lots and lots of hype um I will not be buying black pink whatsoever uh number one I took my biggest loss ever except for um except for Travis Scott uh on the very first blackpink tour in 2018 I want
(08:01) to say um and they they toured maybe two years ago they have not put out a new record since then um and I think it's a big cash grab and I think a lot of people are going to get themselves in trouble with blackpink uh so this will reflect in my write up for sure but just as a mental note um don't get don't get caught up in the the hype of blackpink because I think it's going to go very similarly having pricing um and you know it might be good for a day or two and then I think it'll fall off a cliff so um that
(08:39) makes uh I think here also which I learned is a Learning lesson is as soon as they announce a second show especially in the same city know that hey your overall you know since Supply goes up basic economics demand is spread across those two Absolut as as possible as soon as a second show is added yeah and you know look if we were dealing with one show for Jenny it would be probably fine it wouldn't be great but it would be fine that second show with those prices were so that was just like a gut punch um so yes you're
(09:16) absolutely right there are exceptions you know you look at somebody like Beyonce who's doing multiple shows uh tons of shows and she added a bunch of shows and they you know there they're that's not a blanket statement but typically my general rule and you are welcome to adopt it I don't with with very few exceptions I don't buy two things ever I don't ever buy added shows and I don't ever buy second legs of Tours like if an artist announces a spring tour and then announces like different cities and it does really
(09:50) really well the first time the the second leg will almost never do as well because everyone has seen how well it's done and now everybody wants to get on the ship and the ship has already sailed and it just sinks um so th those are kind of my personal rules uh you know I I I just the upside versus downside of buying an added show uh I just think is very the the upside is very low but as far as what you're saying with the original show you know look it's it's going to double the supply out there at least typically when a first show is
(10:28) doing well well the second show gets absolutely hammered cuz again everyone's trying to jump on the ship so yeah once there's a second show announced you definitely want to pay attention to that and adjust adjust your pricing according accordingly because realistically the supply of the product that the of the product that you're trying to move just doubled um which is never good so yes I do agree I think that's a good rule to adopt in general there are exceptions but in general you're going to come out on top with that rule a lot more than
(11:03) you're going to come out um you know not on top so um yeah again I hate talking about negative stuff in here uh I like to talk more about making money than losing it but it's part of the game realistically and there are things like added shows and stuff like that that we have zero control over you can make the Best Buy in the world and an artist adds five shows and you know it's going to drastically affect um the value of that ticket so um now you said you had a question about the process as well what what is what is what was that
(11:39) question um I guess it's I mean it could wait till the end I feel like we have things to cover about announcing new shows so I'm happy to go through that first no we can we we can look brother I am never on uh I I do all of this off the cuff so we are always just kind of riffing about tickets we got a small audience tonight we got we have we can let's cover what you want to cover what uh talk to me what kind of process question do you have I mean yes it was kind of brought up in chat earlier like hey cool you can get a new number that's
(12:09) fine you know investing into a new number I guess from the get-go you want to ensure it's on its own proxy or whatever so Ticket Master doesn't link the accounts right because I'm assuming if you make an investment into a number but guess what somewhere along the way you trip up and you either use the same device use the same IP it's I'm not saying this investment is not as valuable but I'm assuming that's the case right um to a degree hard information like if you put the same credit card on an account yes it's going
(12:43) to automatically link if you put a phone number the same phone number on an account yes it's going to automatically link um but for instance I I don't uh you know there it's impossible to keep up uh it's impossible to keep up with a bunch of different accounts and make sure that you are always using the same proxy and same like all the time you know and you have to think about this from a logical standpoint there are people that access their Ticket Master account from a mobile device from work from home from a friend's house from
(13:17) Grandma like there are realistic um so I don't think that uh cross contaminating IPS or proxies like that um is really as big of a deal so I I wouldn't drive yourself mad trying to keep those things separate uh you know as far as your local IP your actual IP I would not access that but if you if you have a proxy that accessed more than one account I I do that all the time like and you know I I just think there are a dozens of plausible explanations for why somebody uh why that would happen um so yeah anyway I don't I wouldn't don't
(13:59) pull your hair out trying to keep everything like that um but what was the actual question yeah I mean it was more scenario based right it was just hey I have account A and B I use on you know laptop one laptop two and I'm looking to add a third account so I was like hey cool I'm going to buy a new phone number for 10 bucks a month I'm going to implement that third phone number except while I'm doing that I'm like should I be investing into proxies should I be investing into tools like you know jansy or seat. tools I guess it it obviously
(14:31) comes down to you know preference right to a certain extent but yeah it comes down let me get a phone number and at least have a third account maybe that was step one and do like Firefox multi account that's what I was thinking but yeah yeah I mean here's what I wouldn't do what I wouldn't do is buy a new laptop every time you want to get an account not saying you're doing that but you know that's not uh that's but here is here's what I would do you know I always say after you have more than five accounts you probably need something
(15:03) like a jansy um or an insomniac something like that um but you know the other thing about this is and and I'm not criticizing how you're scaling at all you know I always encourage people to scale um at a at a very slow at a healthy Pace that they feel healthy something I would encourage you know um your accounts with you're acquiring these new accounts are you just making them yourself that's the plan have a brand new email email and the only limitation obviously is the phone number right sure um okay yeah so I support this 100% I
(15:43) would probably say in general between a phone and if you have two laptops like you should be able to manage okay once you get probably up to like five accounts that's probably when I would start looking at um you know doing uh something creating another solution that's probably going to end up being jansy um but once you invest into jansy correct me if I'm wrong you probably want to start then either getting into I guess text chest or seat hero SE to seat dot tools right because those integrate into each other they they do they do um
(16:19) so yeah text chest is what I use um seed Heroes has had some issues since the LA fires cuz they are their data center is La based B so I know they've had some issues with um staying online uh consistently the last 30 days or so but um yeah you would definitely start to look into those Solutions uh and then you know obviously that cost builds up but you just think about it as hey if you know if I'm investing $100 in making this account and and keeping it online you know I I need to make sure that this account is bringing me at least $100 of
(16:59) profit a month which if you're doing even just one drop a week like we should you should be able to hit that number I feel like agre um and would you recommend investing into like proxies before going into the whole seat tools and Janes like is that the next step as well for me in case I'm not willing to go to that route just yet I I would absolutely say so uh the problem with proxies is you're going to pay for them by the month um and not a problem just just things you should know um the other thing is and and I'd like to interject
(17:36) here and just say I I am I have a tech team I I am not the most Mo you know all of you guys could probably run circles around me as far as uh I was too Boomer to bot and and you know back in the pandemic and stuff so I'm not a super te technology guy um but what I would say are you able to import like can you use Chrome or regular browser with proxies is that something you can do you can use something like um containers on Firefox okay yeah okay cool um so yeah I would probably I don't know if you're using containers um I am starting just
(18:17) for separate accounts so now I'm like cool maybe I should get you know you can do extensions and then have proxies I think that's like the next step for yeah I think so too cost of investment and like overall payout and investment and I think you know that's what I mentioned earlier in the chat is like Hey how do you build out a tool and start determining that cuz I'm at this point now where I have like say more than 80% of my Capital already invested into tickets which I'm waiting to be paid out on so I'm like I'm not necessarily ready
(18:45) to reinvest I don't have funds to reinvest at this point in time so I got and listen I just want to make it very clear that that's okay the fact that you are you have a very healthy uh and like realistic Outlook you're thinking ahead a lot of people in this space just spend spend spend and then they don't come to the realization that you just came or you have already come to until it's a crisis um I have tickets which only going to get paid out in August 31st like you're talking like Kendrick Lamar or Tate mcra I'm like
(19:23) until I get paid out from that I don't necessarily have money to reinvest until I get paid out from maybe Jenny or J hul or whatever yeah understood I got you uh and that's okay cash cash flow management especially when you're talking about these events that go on sale 8 nine 10 months in advance um cash flow management is really difficult and I'm not going to sugarcoat that so I think personally I just want to remind you that it's okay to not be able to buy every drop to be thinking about your business the way that you're thinking
(19:58) about because most people are not doing that they are just all they see is they get the dopamine hit from the sale and then they want to buy more to get another dopamine hit and they don't think about any of the logistics that go into that so with that said um I think the great thing about proxies that would work here is that you can buy them in small packs like you could buy like I think a set of 10 proxies I think that that plus Firefox containers um would would be your next step and from where if I were you I would use the
(20:32) time between now and August 31st to essentially Tinker with a setup and kind of make a to-do list of things that you would like to reinvest in when you have that cash flow that comes back here is something that I would like to uh just I don't know if I've said this on in this group before or not but something I would encourage you to do um is when you're making those accounts one of the things that I have found is a major component of the Ticket Master Q algorithm is those accounts being made uh with high score Gmail uh if that
(21:13) is not a familiar term to you um maybe read up on high score Gmail farmed Gmail but the high so essentially what I mean by that is when you're creating the account you are logged into um your making that account on a Gmail that is a highscore Gmail um and uh and you are logged into that account into Google when you are going for these drops and the reason that I say that is because high score Gmail make it appear as though you're a real fan and guess who gets the best Q spots for these big drops is real fans so as you're making
(21:55) these accounts manually and a lot of people want to talk about juice and buying accounts and aged accounts and all that crap I have had substantial success of the last 6 months um paying attention to the Gmail score and making accounts with that in mind the other thing that I will do and this sounds crazy but I do it and it has proved successful I do not like when I link when I give you a link in a write up um I know most people just copy and paste that link into their browser when they're ready to go for the drop what I
(22:31) actually do is I will actually go to Google I'll do a Google search I'll go to YouTube real quick I'll spend like 60 to 90 seconds browsing the web while logged in and then I will go to Ticket Master and actually search for that event manually um what I have learned from from both developers and people at Ticket Master in the last six months is The Ticket Master is able to um is able to Essen tell everything about your online activity your mouse movements your keyboard Strokes uh before during and after you enter that queue and so
(23:09) they are favoring people with real human fanlike behavior um so I would Tinker around with before a drop going you know being logged in going to Google watching a YouTube video then going to Ticket Master searching that event finding it manually like a real fan would and then entering the queue instead of just copying and pasting everything um and that's something you can do you can trial an error but that is something that I have found personal success with and when you say high score email gmail is it on upon Inception and like
(23:46) creating the ticket master account and I assume it's equally important while even while it's active as a Ticket Master still using that Gmail in addition to the browsing stuff you just spoke about I have found that the most important factor is that it is it is uh logged in on a highscore Gmail while you're creating the the account okay you I mean you know obviously it's an added bonus if you remember to be logged into each of those accounts every time it's not it's not the most important thing in the world again this is something that you can
(24:19) trial and error over the next six months um and you might be really surprised at the results hey do I get a better queue if I'm logged in and I around the internet before I go before I go you can trial and error that but that is just something to kind of keep on your radar as you are thinking about these new accounts because that is the most successful way I have found to get some decent you know I would probably say for every 50 accounts I make like that one or two uh usually have like a below 1,000 uh Q for a little while so like
(24:54) and that's on like a major like a major Beyonce type uh thing so um yeah that is certainly something that I would encourage you to so maybe starting to create some new Gmail and getting those warm because I'm like most of my Gmail I actively use are already linked to a Ticket Master but I have an issue where I have the same Gmail link to multiple to the same phone number sorry multiple Ticket Master accounts with the same phone numbers and I'm like that doesn't work so I guess it would make sense changing the phone
(25:29) number on some of these old Gmail and old no I would probably I would probably just start over um not all the way over but for those specific accounts and and [ __ ] around with just making some new accounts using different methods that we just talked about and seeing which one work like which one works best um so yeah that is kind of and that was a long-winded answer but that's kind of where I would start and that's how I would use my time between now and when you're going to get paid out um for for uh some of the stuff you have that you
(26:03) have uh that you're waiting on okay thanks um okay cool uh sorry for that long- winded answer but I'm really glad you asked it because we get to talk got to talk about black pink a little bit um and uh and just kind of how I will probably not be recommending blackpink very heavy just because uh just because of um kind of what we've seen lately with K-pop K-pop has not been great in 2025 so far and uh I think blackpink might follow that Trend uh with that in mind uh Jordan did you have any uh questions kind of on behalf of
(26:46) anyone or on behalf of yourself and we got a couple of people that have joined us since I started that longwinded answer um welcome to you guys um and if you haven't done this with us before I do kind of an AMA style format and and and keep it real casual so if you have any kind of questions you don't need to wait for me to open up the floor you can just kind of talk over me that's totally fine um and the more questions you guys ask the the more educational this thing is we just had two or three really great
(27:16) questions uh that resulted in some some really really good stuff being passed around to the last 30 minutes or so um so with that said any kind of questions that we'd like to Pivot to um that we know of right this second Jordan did you have anything um any anything on behalf of the group or yourself not today I don't okay no that's okay I mean you normally just come out guns blazing with a bunch of good [ __ ] um so I want to talk I guess we'll talk a little bit about Beyonce last week um and why you know the
(27:56) question I've gotten in my DMs a lot is why is Beyonce doing so much better than the weekend um and aside from them being drastically different artists I think the one thing that you got to keep in mind um number one uh we have seen a ton of stadium shows already announced for this year I just think it is going to be it's going to be a ton more I think every artist wants to play a stadium uh everyone's seen the success of Taylor Swift's tour and suddenly everybody thinks they're Taylor Swift The Lumineers are Taylor Swift um and so I
(28:32) would expect a lot more Stadium dates here is how I am digesting those Stadium dates and what I think is the most important factor uh in a year that a lot of more shows than usual are in a stadium the number of cities that a stadium tour hits is super significant let's break that down just a little bit the weekend did is doing 24 cities not even talking about the number of shows how many he's added just number of cities 24 if you live in the if you live in the midwest there are like seven or eight different cities within like a
(29:12) 4-Hour drive 5our drive that you could go to um I live right in the smack dab of the middle in Chicago and I could go see the weekend in like you know eight states surrounding me now let's compare that to beyon say who again take the added shows out of the equation she's doing six cities six if you live in the midwest the only two options you have are Houston Texas or Chicago that's it um and so essentially what this does and the way you can think about it is the is someone like Beyonce is essentially forcing her fans to come to her instead
(29:53) of her going to her fans like the weekend is doing uh and so people make trips out of it they make weekends out of it they uh you know it's a it's a vacation um much like the the Taylor thing was and again I'm not comparing this to Taylor for any other reason other than everyone understands the Taylor tour um so I think the number of cities is a major factor Beyonce is doing really well the call that I the WR up that I made was pretty spoton uh as far as um just kind of price ceilings and stuff I'm really happy about that uh
(30:30) the other thing that we have learned so far this year is a lot of bands are uh offering tickets first to a fan club whether it is a paid fan club or a not paid fan club Beyonce sent out a unique code for anyone that was on her waiting list or on her email list on the Beehive waiting list that was a free uh email sign up that you could have done you had to do it before the tour was announced so my point is um if you have bands that you either like or hope that they'll tour soon or think they're going to tour soon go to their website
(31:13) and see if they have an email list something signing up for a free email list could literally get you a unique code like it got a lot of people Beyonce codes and the Beehive sale ended up being uh one of the best opportunities to get tickets that weren't insanely priced uh the second thing that we've learned is sometimes we have a paid fan club we saw that with um The Back Street Boys uh you know the backst street boys had a paid fan club Kenny chzn had a paid fan club there are uh bands are are charging money for these fan clubs but
(31:49) they're giving you a unique code and so when an when an artist or a band offers a fan club pre-sale uh even if the pre-sale code is $ 20 or $30 um normally if you know if you can buy four tickets on that $30 fan club your your uh your your tickets just got $7 more expensive uh and to me that's a that's a really great gamble so uh pay attention don't be afraid to buy a paid fan club just because it's paid um because sometimes it will it will uh it will result in in very fruitful things um so so that's Beyonce and the weekend
(32:35) you know weekend's doing okay those added shows four five six shows with how many cities he's doing is just killer um and we will you know I do think that once the weekend tour starts he will get a nice Boost from social media people posting stuff on Tik Tok and Twitter and Instagram uh but I do I do worry a little bit about those early shows that won't have the social media bump um so if you're holding those early shows I might look at just kind of where you stand and what pricing looks like um versus the opposite if you're holding
(33:10) Beyonce I think Beyonce is going nowhere but up um I think that Beyonce will get hotter in some places like Houston and DC much much hotter I could easily see that DC July 4th show uh being a $500 nose bleed at some point um there are just no there are very few tickets on the market for that show so um anyway moving on from Beyonce this week uh we focused on Paul Simon and I'm aware that most people that read my write up probably were not familiar have no idea who Paul Simon is uh and just know that he may have done something with Miley
(33:50) Cyrus on the SNL 50th Anniversary show over the weekend um it's really important that if you read a write up for and you don't know who it is just go glance at the Wikipedia and see what you're dealing with um if you had done that you would have realized that Paul Simon is a music legend not quite on the level of like a Paul McCartney but in the same universe for sure um and so he's doing you know he's 83 years old it will probably be one of his last major tours I wouldn't be shocked if it wasn't his last tour um and so you have 54 you
(34:28) the artist that normally plays big 20,000 person amphitheaters and he's playing uh theaters that are 2500 to 3,000 people um so yeah he's doing five of those in New York but five five of those shows is equal to one show at Madison Square Garden or one show at the barlay center um so those shows are all doing really well for the most part the cheap stuff is doing about you know little less than 2x uh and then your premium Orchestra stuff uh is going for for a pretty penny so there are public sales tomorrow for Paul Simon I
(35:08) will post an update about that um but Paul Simon has been kind of a a very solid uh you know a very solid 1.5 to 2x um in most places some places a little less but uh that that has been a a really good buy this week um and so if you did not buy earlier in the week you will have another chance one last chance tomorrow during the public sale um and I encourage you to definitely take a look at that um any questions about Beyonce The Weekend Paul Simon or anything else that we've talked about tonight cool um I'm trying to think
(35:55) let's see we'll talk about black pink next next week um you know uh something that I do want to emphasize and I know we already talked about it a little bit but uh people that are just getting into tickets or they're asking how do you get a better que position and stuff like that um I don't have a super simple answer but one thing I do want to revisit and harp on is if you were just getting into tickets or looking to scale your ticket uh operation a little bit um you know you can make making Gmail making Ticket
(36:31) Master accounts um with high score Gils uh is a is a major factor in The Ticket Master algorithm and so that is something that I think if you have time and and want to do something ticket related with your time that's free uh tinkering around with making some of those accounts um and just kind of playing around with what Q spot they get and stuff like that um I think is a really good use of your time obviously we all know that cracking that Q algorithm is kind of the difference between uh making money in tickets and
(37:07) getting good tickets and and uh really struggling and getting kind of scraps so uh for those of you that are looking for help with the queue uh I think that is a really big um a really big talking point and for uh I think everybody should spend a little time just kind of Mak making a couple of Ticket Master accounts uh farming warming up some Gmail and stuff like that these are things that you can do ahead of a big tour so that you don't have to scramble uh when a big tour is announced with 24 hours notice you kind of have some of
(37:43) your resources already ready to go um so when things are a little slower these are the kind of things that you could be doing to just help yourself a little bit um trying to think what else might be relevant um on The Ticket Master front uh just kind of security wise uh we saw security turned way uh way up for like Beyonce and stuff a lot of people had errors a lot of people got browser paused um and it's just kind of important to note The Ticket Master is always going to be tinkering with that security with uh making our lives
(38:24) miserable and stuff like that so don't you know I know it's really tough but don't get frustrated uh because uh what gets you banned or browser paused one day on Ticket Master the next day might be smooth as as I'll get out um so uh the other thing I want to go back to Paul Simon for those of you that are going to participate tomorrow in the public sale some of those venues Austin um trying to think there's one more Austin Dallas Maybe um they do not use AXS they do not use Ticket Master they use their own kind of
(39:04) theater um ticketing system which means that it's it's a more it's a random queue you don't have to deal with the [ __ ] of Ticket Master um and also you know on AXS obviously it is heavily heavily botted because it's QQ it um so those two shows I would encourage you to look at Austin and Dallas there might be one or two more uh I sent all of the links in my original call but I would take a look at those if you're frustrated about The Ticket Master Q you're not getting good queue positions uh my suggestion uh is certainly to when
(39:40) there is a big list of when there's a big tour going on sale try to find uh the shows that are on etix or evenue or non-ticket Master shows uh because you might have better luck um so I know a lot of people are frustrated about The Ticket Master q and not getting Q positions and kind of just throwing their hands up um you know try to do something different go for a different show that's not on Ticket Master not on AXS um and if you ever need to know or are curious and can't figure out if there are any non-tm or non AXS shows on
(40:14) a big tour um send me a DM I'll be happy to let you know one way or the other and also teach you how to figure that out um so yeah if you're looking for something to do tomorrow I think that uh Dallas and Austin both Paul Simon uh it's a random queue you can enter without you know phone number BS and uh who knows what you might come out with and obviously you can go take a look at StubHub or Vivid Seats to take to see kind of what Paul McCartney's doing um and you know what seats will make you money uh one thing that I do want to
(40:49) emphasize is some seats close to the stage for Paul Simon are will call only meaning you have to pick them up at the venue at the show obviously that is not conducive to reselling so please do not fly through checkout double check your checkout meth uh delivery method and make sure you're not checking out on tickets that you have to pick up locally um any questions any questions comments about anything we've talked about or anything else that people want to get into um hey jokey do you have any thoughts about uh the anima shows I know the last
(41:30) ones kind of took off the week before but with so few shows and the added dates do you have any opinions I do I want to preface this by saying that uh I I do I have two major blind spots number one uh is UFC and the other blind spot that I have is is kind of EDM I know it a little bit but but I I am not super duper knowledgeable with that said um you know the reason that I did not do a write up about these added shows is because of the amount of time between uh when they went on sale and when they happen I think there was like
(42:12) they went on sale like like maybe a month ago three weeks ago and so we have like six to seven weeks uh and if you just think about uh having to put together a trip to Vegas most people don't live in Vegas they travel there I just it was not enough time versus the original anema shows which went on sale in like July and played off in December and that's a lot more reasonable um something that I do encourage everyone to just keep in mind is how long what's the time span between when the event goes on sale and when it actually plays
(42:48) off uh the more you know you will see me mention that I like shows on the back half of a tour uh for instance Paul S and I will get back to your actual question question I promise um but Paul Simon uh just as an example some of those shows happen in April and some of those shows happen in like July and I would much rather have the June or July shows um for just because more time to sell is never a bad thing so keep that keep the the amount of Runway uh in mind when you're looking at shows like that now to your actual question um I know
(43:25) those shows got hot uh leading up I do think it was a little bit of a different scenario um people were still on winter break uh off from school whatever um do I think it could heat up uh definitely if I were you this is what I would be doing um every single day I at let's just say noon I would go to Stubhub and the shows that the Ana shows that I have first of all go in filters turn off recommended tickets and then I would literally keep track of the number of pairs that are listed uh both overall for the entire venue and
(44:06) how many tickets are listed in my section and I would monitor that every single day uh because if that number is going down steadily then you can anticipate those resale prices going up as we get closer to the show if they're staying static or going down very slowly or even getting larger that is when I think you need to make a decision on Jumping Ship um and just kind of or abandoning ship rather uh and just kind of getting out um I think that there is a much smaller chance that they get hot the way they got hot before
(44:41) um uh and here's the other thing to remember if you notice that they got hot last time you have to assume that a ton of other people realize they got hot so there could be Brokers out there who don't even have all their inventory broadcast tested because they are waiting to see if the shows get hot so we very it very well could be the opposite effect where you have a bunch of extra tickets get dumped on the market the week before because people have been hoping they would go up and they've been sitting on them and when
(45:13) they don't they have to get rid of them so there's no way to of course know that but these are just things that should be kind of bouncing around your head when you're when you're thinking about this stuff um but I the number one determining Factor there is ticket listings and I would at this point I would keep a very word pad spreadsheet however you want to do it I would literally keep just a Daily Journal of the number of pairs that are listed for the shows that you have and monitor those between now and you know a week
(45:45) out and I think you know and then you can kind of see how the market behaves that's also a really great education tool that's a really great way to learn too I know it's tedious and annoying um but that's what I would do if I'm not holding anema but if I was or when when I have a show like that that I'm kind of on the fence about that is that's my go-to solution at what point do you sorry go ahead Jay no I was going to say if I may add like if you use listed like in the they have sales Insight which shows like
(46:19) ticket sales and then even I've been recently playing around with autom I don't know how you pronounce it automatic which is their pricing tool shows like supply and demand and how many like inventory is added over a period of time if I'm not mistaken correct me if I'm wrong yes no that is absolutely correct if you are using listed that is a very very beneficial tool that you should be using um I was kind of assuming that they did not have access to that and they were doing it manually which is why you know that was
(46:46) kind of the manual suggestion of keeping track but yes if you have access to listed or you know someone that has access to listed like see if they'll pull that you know pull that data from automat I that will show you recent sales I mean if sales are are you know if one or two payers are selling a day it's going to take forever to get through all that inventory and prices are probably going to plummet if you see a nice steady stream where 50 6070 tickets are moving uh average a day that's a very different story so yes
(47:18) he's correct use those tools to your advantage if you have access to them if not there are people around you in uh in Discord that can help you with that I'm sure uh but there's another question that kind of got lost there what was that question uh I was going to say I have been tracking it since they released the total listings it stayed pretty stagnant between like 900 and 1100 total listings so I what point when you consider just exiting like I'm it's it's still profitable right now I if I were you I would probably get out now um
(47:52) here if and and this is a kind of going back to what we just talked about when you you and first of all good on you for already monitoring it sorry to give you a big lecture you didn't need um about that but for anybody else I hope you found that helpful uh good on you that's exactly what you should be doing um and if that number is staying stagnant like obviously tickets are selling right um if tickets if no tickets were selling then tickets would be $3 right now tickets are selling so that tells me that people are sitting on a lot of
(48:25) inventory as they sell a four pack or a six-pack they're just putting another four-pack or six-pack out there which tells me that there are people are there's a lot of hidden inventory out there um and so for me if the show is profitable and it stayed stagnant that long like 30 days that's a long time for Ticket listings to stay stagnant on a major show uh I would if it was still profitable I would get out personally and if I left $100 a ticket on the table it's a it's a um you know it's a it's a Learning lesson but if it stayed
(48:59) stagnant that's telling me that people are sitting on a lot of inventory and just feeding it out as it sells and that's not a good sign for something that that is very quickly coming up okay thank you chy I appreciate that sure man um what other do we have any other final questions I do need to put a bow on this um Jordan we can we can do another one of these in like two weeks if you'd like uh first of all for for the mishap on Tuesday but also just because I have to do a little bit shorter today even though it's been
(49:30) we've we've been going 50 minutes but I like to make them a little longer for you brother cuz I like I love you um so yeah if you want to do it again in two weeks that'll be great we'll get in DMS and talk about that um any other questions uh kind of put a bow on this thing any other final questions about maybe inventory you have that you're currently sitting on or something that's coming up or anything like that any final questions had a quick question on your thoughts if you've yeah if you've heard about I know it was just announced today
(49:58) about uh tapate McCrae for next week I have um what I need to do is I need to go back and cross reference how many of those shows uh are are revisits uh and how many of those cities are actually new uh that's what I need to do so I you know again we talked about this at the beginning of the call but my two hard rules for the most part uh are I don't buy added shows and I don't buy second legs and this is a second leg leg uh that does not mean that there's no money to be made on a second leg it just means that more often than not uh second legs
(50:34) just get bought on a tour that does really well the first time everyone's like well let's do it all let's run it back and then everybody uh you know puts more resources uh to buying it and you know if if the majority of those cities are cities she's already gone to it just kind of you know you see the conflict there so um I don't have any hard thoughts right this second um I do know that any dates I will certainly favor any dates that um she did did not do the first time uh a lot of them look familiar I haven't gone
(51:09) line by line but I would probably say there's like four or five that maybe are new those are the ones I would focus on because that's a brand new audience a brand new market um and I think I would be a little more selective than I like the expectation should be that whatever the pr if you know for the for the July Chicago show like you should just anticipate the price the resale prices are going to be 20% Less on the October like the the second leg October show just just assume that when you're buying um and and so I
(51:46) would be a lot pickier I'd be a lot more selective uh I would definitely want to stay on the cheaper side of things um for all just because second legs are so dangerous because you you risk oversaturation from a lot of different a lot of different angles so for yourself uh just like last I know you mentioned like you kind of don't tend to go for uh added dates and second legs uh do you like avoid them entirely or do you just try to have more selective criteria very much more SE most the time for added shows unless it's someone like Beyonce
(52:23) that I know can withstand the the added Supply uh you know um no disrespect to tapate McCrae but you know tapate McCrae getting an additional you know 6,000 4,000 tickets on resale for a second show is a lot different than Beyonce getting 6,000 tickets in a stadium on an added show you know um so I but overall I either invoid it entirely just because the upside I whenever I'm on the fence I always do upside versus downside and if the downside outweighs the potential upside then I just skip it say I save myself the headache um but if I'm going
(53:07) to go for it and I'm not discouraging anyone no one has to follow that rule just because I do that's just something that I've developed um uh definitely you want to be pickier like just because every seat in the house is making money for tapate McCrae right now like you also have to remember these shows happen in October is tapate McCrae going to be as hot uh metaphorically speaking uh in October are people going to care as much as they care about her right now with that new record and you know the other factors
(53:39) that are going in um so yes I am all if I do buy an added show or a second leg I am always way more picky uh on my criteria just because I go in assuming that it is going to let's just say sell 20% less like 20% more poorly than the than the original that's kind of just n that's just kind of what the expectation I go in with if it exceeds that that's great but I never want to go in expecting that it's going to be the exact same because more often than not it it's just not yeah that makes sense um and I think expectations are a
(54:20) lot of it uh I think if you go in like if you go in expecting make you know 100% return on an added tape McCrae show like you're probably going to be disappointed I would guess in a lot of places um so yeah I think going in with just Lowered Expectations on the the added shows just assume that everyone's going to be buying it and you know people that didn't know about Tate McCrae before are going to buy her this time you know and and so that ship is going to get really crowded when it tries to take off for that second leg
(54:54) and that's why I just usually avoid second legs with exception yeah but we will talk I will go line by line and uh figure out which of those shows are not repeats and we'll I'll have a a full write up uh and I'll try to get that out a little earlier in the day so people have time to digest uh but I do need to post about the signups and I will do that tonight I already got it C actually you know what I'll you know what I'll do Jordan I will cross reference first and then I will mention the cities that are not a re that are brand new cities uh
(55:30) for the sign up so that's what I'll do I'll combine those two things and mention it then Beauty um all right guys uh we are running an hour uh I am going to wrap this thing up put a bow on it I appreciate everyone uh coming out spending time with me tonight uh hope you learned a little something my DMs are always open um and uh Jordan let's get together and see if we can do this thing maybe shortly before March Madness like the week of March Madness uh do it again maybe the week before uh but I want to get another one in uh so that uh
(56:06) we can kind of revisit some stuff and talk about everything that uh has been going on the last 60 days or so sounds good man okay appreciate y'all thank you so much talk to you all soon thanks Jo thanks thanks Joy thanks I wanted to know if any sorry go ahead joh I just want to mention just like for body here um for quick reference like you may see that uh for some of the shows that I've been mentioning as of late I've been including like prior sales data so I know like um with listed like they do have some data but the data that we have
(56:40) access to now it's a little bit more extended so if you do need some prior data for some shows like some and like some events from like years prior as well you can let me know and whatever data we have I can share with you as well where Curious where do you manage to pull that from is that like a service yeah so I've been utilizing uh seat dat.
(57:05) stupid expens stupid expensive but you can uh you can abuse free trials that's what I've been doing and uh I wanted to fair enough I because if you want if you don't mind I wanted to share my screen briefly because I've been I don't know I've been playing with I think Med or someone else was asking about automate I optic which is like the listed uh what's it called Auto pricing tool right and like part of what they have I don't know if everyone here is or not they have a they do end up having bunch of data in there too so like I think Med were you asking
(57:42) about uh anima yeah yeah I was so like I don't know how you like you were manually tracking right you said yeah so I'd be curious to like compare cuz like in here it shows you like what okay cool what platform forms is being sold on but in terms of like sales it's it can even give you data sorry I think it's lagging a bit it can like basically tell me hey how's it been performing over the past 1 month 3 months 3 weeks to an extent and like cool you know on I don't know it's as it been on a downward Trend like it's been
(58:19) pretty steady from the looks of it like how many sales per day 55 45 whatever sales per day as well and it shows you like sales listings here and all that fun stuff like cool the last like on average there's like I don't know 15 tickets being sold a day for example right okay so I'll show you the data that I have so that's for the March 2nd show right yeah okay so like this is like the main data that they that they Supply so I will put this in the chat and then also um they provide a breakdown of everything that they're able to track
(58:53) for actual sales so I'll put in the Cs V there and so like it gives a breakdown of like the seats that they from the data that they can pull that what seat what section what row how much quantity and how much they actually sold for yeah that's Cool's let's see does this do that to Central yeah that's super interesting cuz I know ticket genius has like I'm I'm still finishing up my plan with ticket genius and I can see some of that data but it's definitely not as in-depth as like SE data and then obviously my
(59:30) manual tracking I'm just tracking like the total listings and then the cost in my section so like it from my manual spreadsheet like it looks pretty stagnant but obviously people are like selling and then relisting right and so yeah like with with data like this like I find like this is relatively helpful because you can see actual like demand and what people have previously paid for those actual seats right yeah that's like what was the name of the platform you said seat dat.
(1:00:01) so I'll put it in the chat here uh so it like to get the full access it's stupid expensive it's like $130 us a month but I've been yeah I mean I've been abusing fre I me makes sense I mean I think like don't get me wrong obviously what automatic has here is not bad like obviously within listed you can go to insights as well but I think like some of the stuff in here like it does like similarly obviously we have to track but yeah what is it last sale was what 0 to I don't think the sales from here might be all the platforms from the looks of it right so
(1:00:37) you just posted and the same show as I was looking the third right uh suay yeah so March 2nd it's March 2nd Sunday and so in terms of active list yeah let's see so right now active listings they're sh is 2,198 you I guess that's number of tickets versus listings okay yeah where is with seat data shows active listings and I do imagine like they might also get slightly different data because like from what I understand like I don't think like the platforms like your sub hubs and your vivot seat whatever are actually sharing this data
(1:01:16) with these platforms I believe these like listed they're probably pulling actual broker data that for people that are utilizing it uh and then other platforms are also probably doing a mix of scraping data from the platforms as well yeah I know like like six months ago listed a feature that just said insights and you could see all the sales through their platform but now they've gotten rid of that so I don't know if that's Incorporated with automatic now I still see insights on my my end or wait on listed well I did as of last week is it
(1:01:48) no longer um maybe maybe I'm just missing it I'm not let me take a look no what you are what you are saying oh yeah where is it g yeah where is the Insight stab unlisted it used to be there yeah what am I tripping I don't even notice that's news so I guess yeah I think you might disconnected Jaden he just went blank but yeah with stuff like this like I think um it's easy to get free trials with them and they activate your account right away I've just been using uh virtual credit cards to make new accounts and then after the payment
(1:02:39) doesn't go through the the account still stays active and you still have access to the data for like a week or two oh that's really interesting okay I'm going to start looping that for sure because some of that data would be great especially like just for these anima shows specifically is something that I'm really on the fence about cuz I know the last shows like the last end of the tour exploded like like the uh like 400 sections I think were like 300 or 400 us as a ticket I'm just I don't know if I should hang on to them or or sell well
(1:03:08) this is supposed to be the last shows right yeah yeah so hard super hard to say because like there there was a gap in between the shows too yeah and then I know like the the very first um shows the last leg like I I bought like the second date and it did awful like broke even pretty much on it but then the like later dates did amazing yeah so it's just a matter of if people are like oh look this is the last time I can go is it going to be worth it yeah I've seen some videos of like the the actual show from in the sphere
(1:03:40) though and it does look super cool so a lot of people are going because of that aspect for sure oh yeah looks pretty sick my my girlfriend was like oh we should go ourselves it looks sick I'm like you do you even listen to EDM or do you even have music before she's like it just looks sick I'm like right clearly it's caught on and she's on Tik Tok and all the more trendy stuff so I'm like cool okay um but like with seat data IO like like I mentioned like you can get access for free and like it' probably be worth
(1:04:13) paying for it but I mean it's much better when it's free but like I mentioned to Ethan previously is like they do have like an API and it's like relatively decently priced so I know I say that that I want to do all these things but I have it in a to-do list to look into potentially implementing their API into a bot and Discord then you just run a command for an event and see all like the data that you see here I think that'd be pretty helpful for a lot of people yeah that'd be super interesting especially for everyone to look back at
(1:04:44) like years years prior that date is amazing I mean I feel like let's be honest within Arcane there are probably four to five members who actively do tickets so it's down to cost of investment right and like even I mean proxies are different obviously proxies everyone uses a proxy but I wonder like hey there are certain tools or things there which obviously you know J and you may have access are any tools sharable should we do a group by just between us I mean people can share accounts too within you know two three people right
(1:05:14) so that's what the community is there for yeah I certainly get that but like also I come from the thought process of I'm basically brute forcing this [ __ ] so like as you can see like we have we have a mix people and amount of people that come to these these calls like we had more people that ended up showing up today than a lot of the calls that we have sometimes it's literally myself and Ethan and so I just do it consistently until people actually start seeing the value and then um then we can start growing it from there and then
(1:05:43) eventually like I would want to turn like our Ticket Hub into more or less the the only place somebody would need to go to get all the information tools that they would need is it super viable right now to implement tools like that 100% not CU not a lot of people are utilizing them but if I looked at it that way we wouldn't probably have any ticket information in the server at all right yeah 100% it's chokey himself like he actually charges a decent chunk of money to being here every month so uh yeah CU he has his own server and he was
(1:06:15) like his server costs what 200 bucks a month just to access it I didn't even know he had his own server chy does I I asked him yeah specifically cuz I I asked him a question I'm like do you guys have more insights I didn't what did he say yeah I didn't know that either let me see he says it's very limited though he doesn't it's not publicized and he limits it to like 100 people or something let me see what was my message with him chy but yeah like it cost it definitely cost money to have people that have good
(1:07:00) information and have good experience in here and I mean I'd rather pay that than have [ __ ] information here for sure yeah definitely chok's obviously great he like he's so fast to enter DMS and everything too he's he's amazing yeah he said 200 a month C at 100 members yeah he's been uh holding out hiding stuff I that's how you found out about him to be honest I don't know if it's a yeah I actually you did say he have his own group whether is it on Discord I don't know is it a Facebook group who knows but does have one I guess quite a while
(1:07:38) ago like I found like just from different servers networking whatever I found like multiple different people that owned like different groups and kind of groups and like they were pretty much all from like the US and the states and I started a small group to just combine like basic basically like a uh a think tank and that's how I found like a lot of things like chokey mm makes sense I mean I think from you know so far it's always nice to have insights like the way I look at some of it is also um part of what's it
(1:08:14) big horn where he does like the order cash out obviously $7 a ticket is nothing in the grand scheme of certain things but it's always cool to see what it gets you know the general public is going after or him a larger broker and like to me I'm like cool if my capital's tied up uh you know hey any anything any money I make with him is money that I can use to invest or it's like cool if I'm buying into a proxy or buying into all these tools I might as well utilize them if I don't buy myself if he needs tickets then guess what let me make some
(1:08:45) money out of it right yeah 100% and that's why I kind of want to try and find people like that and combine services and uh in here just so that if you want access to certain and different things and more or less basically exactly like free ways to make money you certainly can seven like yeah seven bucks a ticket is basically nothing but I mean there are some people that USD at this point 10 bucks is is that like flat rate for every ticket yeah and I mean like the way he does it too it's like seven or 10 bucks a ticket and then it's
(1:09:16) like on each ticket if you have four or six per event or even eight like on average I've been cashing out I should probably post this in success but even like I got my I got my own partner on it too sometimes she's like yeah I'm doing nothing like I get paid out let's see my what's my most I get I can get on a decent week I can get at least 100 or 200 bucks doing you know whenever have the free time and a lot of it like it typically doesn't take too long and if you're able to scale with more accounts I've seen some people get cash outs from
(1:09:49) quite quite High I agree or if like realistically I buy for myself and I'm like cool I've already tapped out myself I'm like if Ian I have it in my cart why not right um he is still actively providing payment information for you to cart the tickets is that correct yep yeah so uh have you been in that server at all Ethan have you tried it out at all no I I haven't yeah so like uh he was a guy that I met because like he was actually he's Canadian and he was an Amazon Seller and like he uh came into our group and then I found out after
(1:10:25) starting Arcane uh had some conversations with him that he's that he's a ticket broker and like before chokey he was like a guy like the only real ticket broker that I knew so uh he was starting to provide some insights but he was just very like inconsistent with it but he had his own buying group where he has people buy on his behalf and yeah he provides uh he'll tell people what he wants for tickets and price like Max price and whatever and then you disc cart them you make a ticket and then he provides you a
(1:10:54) virtual credit card to check out so you don't have to risk any your yeah that's interesting and so obviously he does that easier for him to get a more abundance amount of tickets yeah definitely I mean Jay do you ever like C some like crazy primes and then decide to sell to him instead like do you do you I don't know I'd be like there are I mean I'm at the point right now struggling with capital cuz I I like was in like J hope and these a few I'm like cool they're going to P pay out in a month and a half or two right
(1:11:28) now but what ends up happening for me with with the US shows I buy using my us ax and my us ax given I'm like in this position where I don't have an it I'm only at a 5k credit limit so I'm like obviously I can on like two three months of cash flow but I'm at this point I'm like I have like 10K USD worth of tickets sitting and I'm only going to get some of that money out in August so I'm like I log on to these shows I'm like [ __ ] I wish I could buy so if there are cheap like $40 $50 entry tickets and I'm like cool I'm going to double my Roi
(1:12:03) sure but like so shows where it's like a $300 entry point I'm like yeah not for me yeah definitely I understand that totally I'm I'm in the same position where like cash is getting tight and then payments are all tied up and yeah feel that's the hard part of tickets is definitely managing cash flow yeah because I think what listed you need how much how much sales to get paid in advance I'm like I'm like cool if I do decide to go down that route I need to invest and you know get to that level right that's that's the next best
(1:12:34) option yeah definitely once once you're paid on sale then you know all your problems are resolved but to get there it's it's a working it's like cool do I stop investing as much into Amazon which is fair I could and then put more money here right because I think with listed you need what six or more pay pents within the last 12 months which have at least a total of 50,000 which isn't that hard to be honest to to reach yeah definitely 50,000 worth of ticket dollar sales in 12 months I think it's the the payout though too which
(1:13:11) makes it a little harder it's not it's not even just the whole sale it's what you're getting paid out so they take like within a 12 month rolling period right so even if you start today you have whether you hit 50,000 in 6 months from now or within the next 12 right yeah yeah definitely there are also those OP because I'm like I'm looking at mys I I have about I would I want to say I'm almost halfway there then again that's been over a period of I don't know if that's in in a 12mth rolling period right yeah there's also the
(1:13:40) options that like we've discussed before of some platforms that will sell tickets on your behalf and you get paid out basically as they sell right but they do have a higher fee to do so which one others other then new ones uh let me see if I can find them good thing I have all these conversations transcripted now on on the note of that Jordan there is this guy who's pretty big in Canada he he's not more on the buying side he's more on the selling side his name is karma Jagger long I don't know if you heard of
(1:14:15) him he has a whole send you maybe the gr copy link so he doesn't necessarily do anything with buying and reselling but I know he works with like ticket season holders and stuff to sell tickets their tickets on his platform I don't know what the back back end to it is but I'm like there could be something there I don't know how would you kind of reach out to him as what's the value prop but if we say hey we have tickets that we're trying to flip I don't know if he will goes for them because he's mainly like a blue
(1:14:48) jays sort of raptors guy but he does the occasional concerts yeah I mean if uh if I'm able to to vet him fully then yeah for sure like I mean yeah take a look at his face like I sent you his Facebook link to his like group and then I think like he has a website and stuff it be interesting to see I'm trying to find those places that we talked about I don't remember exactly what they were called do you recall that conversation Ethan with what sir about like the places that will sell tickets on your behalf uh I know there's I don't know if
(1:15:30) these ones sell on your behalf or there just other ones there's guy box was one of them [Music] um I'm drawing a blank now I know what you're talking about though I know there's one or two but they like pay you like cents on a dollar they'll be like yeah $200 ticket I'll buy you buy it for like 50 bucks no there were places that that we t talked about that they basically sell your tickets on like a contingency basis and then uh they take x amount of fee and then they pay you out immediately once they're sold that's
(1:16:10) interesting ticket tailor was some platform just Googling this at this point ticket swap what else I know stage stage front was another one of them I I don't know if they s on your behalf or just another listed alternative I think it's something Logitech that was one let's see here these transcripts work great if I can remember what the [ __ ] we like what the keywords were to talk about them yeah so State front is a consignment service yes exactly that's the one stage front yeah it says I think they down sorry go ahead they do have a
(1:16:56) consignment section you can like go stage front.com scroll down and they have Consignment I don't know if uh stage front was what chokey was mentioning specifically but he mentioned before that on some of these Consignment platforms the downside is you don't get to control your pricing though they just sell them on your behalf for what they think the ticket should sell for right 100% And like it's it's obviously probably not the the best option but if you're struggling for cash flow something like that could help if they
(1:17:28) pay out immediately yeah definitely yeah I mean I guess not a it wouldn't necessarily work if you're trying to get out of a show that's doing poorly CU I mean what you sell online if you just drop it to the lowest point I'm sure they'll do the same thing yeah most likely it would just be a point they probably have the same data if not better than I yeah the only thing would be like is if you have like limited access to cash though and like say like the event is six months down the road so it's like okay they'll they'll probably end uping
(1:17:59) for about the same price that you can they'll charge you a bit of a higher fee but then you could probably re access from your cash flow right makes sense we forgot I maybe I M shy about this but what do you guys think of like when like things like you know Kendrick Lamar performing at you know Super Bowl how things of like people performing at the Super Bowl usually they you do it to announce a tour but in this case with like Kendrick Lamar he announced his tour way back and I'm like [ __ ] I wish I didn't sell his ticket I wonder if like
(1:18:27) I should probably look at the insight to see if it's actually boosted his sales or pricing in general I think with some people like that like say like a Beyonce or a Kendrick on the Super Bowl like they're so well known to begin with I don't know if like something like that would really have a huge impact a noal impact to any of their tickets yeah I'm assuming it'll be positively impacted if anything was is negative most likely for sure like I believe even those like that have the the bad Super Bowl shows I don't think they've had
(1:19:04) that negative impact if they are a good enough artist that can support it anyway yeah cool well I'm going to hop off but uh I appreciate the call guys