June 25, 2025; General Hangout & Q&A

Video link: https://youtu.be/yiZTQ9Twwns

Summary

Key Insights:

AI and Technology 🔍 The conversation opens with the challenges of using AI web scrapers to collect data from retailers, emphasizing that many retailers have advanced anti-bot systems in place. 💡 The discussion shifts from web scraping to using APIs, with a mention of the Keepa API for tracking Amazon's product catalog, highlighting the evolution of tools for data access. 🌐 Developers share insights on leveraging technologies like Chrome extensions and databases to streamline operations and minimize bottlenecks in sourcing processes.

Health and Personal Challenges 🩺 A participant shares their experience with back surgery and the impact it had on their quality of life, illustrating the struggle of balancing personal health with professional aspirations. 🤖 The conversation touches on adapting work routines and leveraging technology to minimize physical strain while maximizing productivity.

Literature and Book Selling 📚 The potential of sourcing and reselling books is revisited, with participants discussing various strategies for finding profitable used books and maximizing returns on investment. 💼 Sharing anecdotal experiences of successful book flipping emphasizes the appeal of the resale market and entrepreneurial opportunities it presents.

Entrepreneurial Ideas and Growth Potential 💼 Vending machines are examined as a potentially profitable business venture, with ideas around strategically placing them in high-traffic areas and diversifying product offerings. 🔍 The value of networking and local entrepreneurship is addressed, suggesting innovative ways to create passive income streams through simple, low-cost ideas. 🚀 The concept of a crowdfunding and mentorship model for budding entrepreneurs emerges, highlighting the shared potential of community-driven growth and networking.

Cultural Conversations and Views 🌍 The discussion weaves through various social and cultural narratives, touching on personal and collective beliefs, and how these shape perceptions of success and societal norms. 💭 The narrative on personal accountability and freedom challenges the balance between individual rights and societal responsibility, proposing that true freedom includes both personal and communal decisions. 📖 Debates on the importance of learning and critical thinking surface, emphasizing how individuals should strive to foster healthy discourse and overcome misinformation.

Actionable Takeaways:

1. Leverage Technology: Utilize APIs and automation tools to streamline processes and gather valuable insights from data.

2. Adapt and Innovate: Stay open to new business ideas like vending machines or cologne vending sites that cater to specific audiences.

3. Rethink Health Management: Adjust working habits to accommodate personal health needs while maintaining productivity; consider technology to support these goals.

4. Capitalize on Literature: Explore the book resale market by sourcing popular titles—an easy avenue for quick profits.

5. Harness Community Initiatives: Engage with local leaders for mentorship opportunities; look for ways to create a supportive entrepreneurial ecosystem.

6. Foster Critical Thinking: Encourage education on self-accountability and responsible action, recognizing the impact of one's choices on the wider community.

Thought-Provoking Ideas: 🤔 The discussion raises questions about societal norms, individual freedoms, and how advancements in technology and culture shape human behavior and opportunities. 🌱 What role do individual decisions play in the larger narrative of societal evolution, and how can personal responsibility enhance or impede progress?

Timestamped Summary

[00:00-04:24] The discussion starts with an inquiry into AI projects, primarily focusing on the struggles of web scraping within the retail sector, emphasizing complicated anti-bot measures from larger retailers. The idea of developing a new tool to replace Scan Unlimited is suggested, utilizing APIs like Keepa.

[04:24-06:54] The conversation shifts towards insights on web scraping difficulties with retailers like Walmart and Michaels, stressing the potential market for small retail scraping. Suggestions for collaboration with expert peers on web scraping challenges are made.

[06:54-08:03] The dialogue transitions to personal backgrounds, discussing a participant's experience with back surgery leading to complications such as drop foot, with reflections on resilience and the need for physical activity.

[08:03-11:04] Further personal anecdotes share thoughts on balancing a job, family responsibilities, and a side hustle in selling books. Discussions touch on profitability within the book-selling space and strategies to enhance income through sourcing labor.

[11:04-18:45] The conversation weaves through various business ideas such as the lucrative market for textbooks and unconventional sourcing strategies. Conversations on collaborating and hiring people for sourcing leads to suggestions of partnerships for expanding business ventures in resale.

[18:45-24:15] A shift in focus to innovations in product selling through methods like Instagram and Facebook promotions is discussed, illuminating different marketing tactics to maximize sales. The applicable strategies for reselling and their respective markets, including clearance and bulk buying, are critiqued.

[24:15-28:34] The discussion turns to the seriousness of drug use and societal impacts correlated with freedom vs. strict regulations. The role of societal norms in shaping business environments and individual responsibilities in both personal and financial decision-making is debated.

[28:34-34:51] The notion of free speech and its implications on societal standards emerges, stressing the need for a balance between personal accountability and societal responsibilities. The challenge of navigating misinformation and its social impacts leads to a philosophical discussion on individual liberties.

[34:51-38:15] Conversations about various forms of speculation around human behavior, societal expectations, restrictions, and their potential repercussions are discussed, probing the nuances of various societal norms and individual choices throughout history.

[38:15-44:00] The meeting delves into personal anecdotes regarding the unique challenges of lying compulsively, exploring the psychology behind manipulation for acceptance. Refreshingly revealing moments of vulnerability showcase how societal pressures can distort an individual’s truth.

[44:00-49:16] A sociocultural exploration regarding Masonic traditions encourages discussions on community and the balance of societal control with personal freedom. Reflections on previous engagement with different individuals and interactions in structured environments provoke thoughts on social behavior.

[49:16-55:09] Participants examine the impact of capitalism on innovation, the evolution of societal structures, and juxtaposing historical empires to modern governance as they discuss the implications of social engineering. Interest in how narratives shape societal behaviors and beliefs continues to flourish.

[55:09-01:04:41] The conversations shift to personal experiences with societal issues such as conformity, peer pressure, and marketing tactics that prioritize individual over collective responsibility, cycling through a range of realizations and experiences that relate back to broader societal contexts.

[01:04:41-01:10:23] Close with thoughts on establishing personal goals, the importance of accountability in self and society, and engaging in vibrant discussions on topics that provoke further exploration of individual roles within varying degrees of societal norms.

Video Transcript

(00:00) nice network right on right on and how are your AI projects coming along so I mean there's an issue with the um you know using like an AI web scraper like fire crawl or scraping B or anything like that and the issue is that a lot of the big retailers have you know the pretty sophisticated like anti-bot uh technology and a lot of it too that like where they want to assign you um like a physical store it won't populate any of the data like from the screenshot uh so it's not quite there yet but I'm thinking I'll just make something maybe to you know replace scan unlimited because I can

(00:44) just call the Keepa API pretty easily with Scan Unlimited I know like so yeah Keepa API is really easy with Scan Unlimited i know like they are specifically calling the Amazon API directly and like that's how they're able to like they're catalog I know like they're cataloging Amazon's product catalog that's how they're able to scan through like 20,000 plus products in like a few minutes so they're they're not just they're not just going against Keepa they are specifically going against Amazon and I know from talking to one of the dudes a while ago uh a lot

(01:14) of that is also supported from their free users so when their free users run scans they are actively storing data from their free users on like current selling prices etc oh I see yeah so we're the product of course always if you're gonna get something for free you're you're you're the one that's uh the one that's actually the product yourself exactly uh if you're having problems with web scraping though uh reach out to Ali uh like Ali in the server who just did retail radar because he might be able to

(01:46) give you some pointers i'm I'm assuming he's probably not going to be like "Here you go here's my code for my API," but he might be able to give you some pointers for some websites because he's been able to successfully pull through like Walmart and Shoppers and some of those are a pain in the ass oh yeah like Walmart is not uh usually a problem it's uh things like Michaels that can be a problem or Home Depot cuz it just won't uh like when it takes the screenshot and when I look at the screenshot that you know is going to be used to pull all the uh the text from it doesn't show the

(02:18) price or anything like that as though it's still trying to load it because it doesn't know where you are right so it's a bit of an issue other than that I mean it work beautifully it could work definitely for small retailers like if you know you sort of take out all of the uh the big box ones and are just focused on uh you know like a smaller subset it would definitely work right right i'll be interested if you do end up coming up with something i'd be interested to always hear about what what it is what I can do and get a demo

(02:48) of it yeah yeah well I mean I've sort of taken a bit of a break from it for now working on some uh other stuff but uh I might get back to it do you have any coding background yourself or is this your first kind of project oh no i mean I'm a coder by trade uh so uh that's my my field like I haven't done hard coding in a few years cuz I'm in uh the database side of the IT world so I've only really used SQL anymore but I mean I've had development jobs before in you know uh C Java all that gotcha so you're

(03:27) already ahead of most people maybe cool cool cool uh and with what happened I know like you mentioned your own disability if you don't want to share certainly don't don't feel like you have to but I know you mentioned a long time ago you had back issues was it related to that uh yeah so I had uh back surgery yeah to fix cuz I was having like uh spondyloiththesis and it was causing my spinal canal to get narrow and narrow and narrow and it was giving me horrible sciatica that you know got to the point I couldn't even

(04:00) stand anymore and I was just bedridden um now I mean the pain is gone but the surgery was a little botched now I have drop foot in my left foot uh from some nerve damage so I can't like lift my foot up anymore i need to use a brace uh but there's a good chance I'll recover from that uh I'm hoping I do uh you know the nerves will regenerate in time oh [ __ ] yeah kind of sucks but it's you know whatever yeah a little bit rough but it is what it is just got to keep moving uh don't don't take it offensively at all and I don't know if you're going to uh to get the joke or not but I'm going to

(04:43) start call calling you Kaiser So oh no I guess I'm a [ __ ] i'm just messing around i know no worries but yeah I'm happy you're feeling better though dude and it's nice that I I don't know how much you want to get back to work but it'll be nice to probably get out of the house after a while oh yeah yeah i mean you know like I'm kind of okay like I can walk pretty okay now uh I can you know it's definitely gone a lot better uh we'll see but yeah definitely want to get back into this i'd uh I mean I know there's a lot of uh even while I was in the hospital I was

(05:24) seeing like oh wow I'm just making money even though I'm not doing anything um so like with the surgery is it supposed to like completely help like your back issues like entirely or do you still have underlying issues then uh so I mean it should help cuz the idea is that once the bone fuses my back will be as strong as ever and so it should last the rest of my life uh it will limit like I won't be able to bend as much as I used to before but that's okay uh so it should you know it was a success in that regard and if I recover from the drop foot that would be amazing then you know it would be just like what

(06:03) I was before then I can go back to doing books as well yeah uh I'm actually thinking that uh Oh sorry no no go ahead yeah no I'm actually thinking like you know I can't really physically do the books myself but you know maybe I could um you know sort of like uh hire someone to to go around with me to all the uh the thrift stores and load up all the books it is super lucrative oh hell yeah dude i used to do that you can hire like people to do it like just go sourcing for you and bring it to you so like you just give them like a whatever criteria so x amount of dollars like based on a

(06:39) certain sales rank give them a a rough idea of how to look at charts because they're super cheap anyway and it's like it's Yeah so like it's every so often they might get a dud but it's probably not that bad and then just pay them a commission or per book that they get or whatever oh yeah i was even thinking that uh okay when I used to do it uh in just you know like literally one day you know from the the time it opens to the time it closes I could hit up like 10 different stores and get 400 books so I mean I could pay

(07:11) someone you know a dollar a book and they'd be able to make you know a thousand bucks over a weekend maybe yep yeah definitely and it and for how profitable books are it's going to be more than worth your while that's crazy books like what kind of books textbooks uh so I mean I'm open to anything but generally I found cuz I I I used to do this pretty hard i go all over Ontario all the stores even Quebec and I found that in general it's like non-fiction books that are usually the best uh yeah textbooks too but textbooks can be very bulky whereas often times like just a

(07:51) smaller reference book is better because it's not as big and you can fit more of those in your car books about religion and spirituality cookbooks uh rarely fiction but I would still like do a little like I just run my hand against the fiction aisle and if I felt like a texture of a book that was brand new I might take a look at it but yeah it's usually non-fiction did you ever um do like book pickup like posts on Facebook or anything or try to sort out deals with like the thrift stores that you're going to to buy books in bulk

(08:30) yes so I did uh contact uh um there was this one place in uh the Montreal area that was pretty good and I got kind of friendly with the manager and I spoke to him and then he uh he told me like about uh their distribution center that I could go to and you know talk to uh people there um the issue is though is that that's like the rejects when you're buying in bulk i found that it wasn't really worth it like unless you know I had like a a big warehouse to process it it wouldn't really make sense whereas

(09:07) when I go you know to the thrift stores I can cherrypick and just take the good stuff that I want and uh I found that you know that made more sense for me at the time whereas like you know what they had available in bulk it might have had an acceptance rate of like 1% so it's not worth it yeah it's fair i know like bulk book buying operations is totally own thing uh we have a local thrift store here that's like a very religious thrift store called uh I think it's a franchise thrift store but they are like lower key than Valley Village called

(09:39) Mission Mission Thrift Store and Oh yes I know we have them here too yeah so when they first opened up like the the two guys that were running it were super cool and I was in there a lot and then I just just gradually just started talking to them about what I do because they're like "Why are you always in here buying all these books?" And then we worked out a like a mini bulk buy agreement where like anything that was like not like deemed unworthy for them like so if it like had any type of graphic graphic things anything like against religion and things like that they would never put on their shelves so they're like

(10:16) "Okay if um if you want you can sort through all that stuff." And then all of our excess because they just have excess books that they haven't even looked at or processed then I could just come by and just pick up all their excess and so we worked at Odal i was paying them 10 cents a pound and so I'd come by once I think it was once a week or every two weeks i would just bring my scale with me we'd uh weigh the boxes pay them 10 cents a pound and yeah it was actually it we didn't last that long but for the

(10:40) time that it did last it was very very lucrative uh the reason why it didn't last that long is because then eventually like they got replaced by some different managers and they were very much so just trying to really squeeze as much profit as they could out of the store instead of being like community oriented they were just trying to be super greedy but yeah she like all the value yeah oh yeah but you know what though i have to admit okay even though Value Village can be a ripoff it's the best place to go for uh

(11:14) for books and video games uh you just can't beat it like I mean that's basically what I would do i'd drive to Toronto on a weekend and you know like uh you know over the course of a couple days I could literally hit up like every single one in the GTA and get thousands of books like one time I rented a Airbnb and I just like you know spent a week in Toronto you know filling up the Airbnb and then I put out like a hundred boxes in front of it at the end of the you know when I was done see isn't that like more exciting than just like doing like a standard OA like it it gives a lot more variety doesn't I

(11:54) love it because I mean it's like I get to travel and I'm paid to do it right i I travel everywhere stay in hotels you know uh go to restaurants and eat out and it's a business expense and the drive itself I love too you know just driving listening to like a podcast or something for a few hours like that was you know like some of the best times in my life to be honest yeah books can be like a massive grind and they don't move very quickly but they're so profitable and yeah like that's how I started too and in my opinion it was like that for my

(12:28) Amazon business was probably like the the most engaged in my business that I ever was it was like the most exciting time part of it probably had to do with just being starting but it was also just it was just more interesting than just like repeating the same thing over and over again yeah exactly and you know you're not like sitting in front of your laptop you're out there like like hunting you know going from location to location you know it feels like I don't know maybe on a more primal level that you're actually doing something uh but I love it and uh

(12:59) you know I can see like if uh I get better I'll definitely go back to doing it at least you know a couple weekends a month i mean books you know you're going to get at the very least like 100% ROI usually more right and I found that you know I had a sell through rate of uh close to one with books which meant that like I was turning my inventory every 90 days and at a 100% ROI or higher right especially like you know for textbooks around you know September and January you can't really beat that it doesn't

(13:34) move as fast but because the ROI is so high it makes up for it yeah that's how I got a lot of my initial starting capital man i'm for I'm forever grateful for books it's not It's not sexy but it it can it can be very very profitable oh yeah i I kind of you know like like if you're willing to put in the labor and effort and work to do it like I kind of see like books you know is better lowhanging fruit to pick like I only went into OA because of my uh my my physical issue like if I never had back issues I would have just kept doing books and probably progressed down that road with you know a team of uh

(14:17) sorcerers and maybe doing wholesale if I had like a a warehouse and workers there to you know just sort of uh process it yeah uh do you have a spouse at home yes yeah and I have a eight-month old son oh so now you you have to get your wife to do all the heavy lifting for you now that's kind of the uh thing yeah I can't really lift anything yet so it's been hard on her cuz uh but you know we're surviving uh when I see the surgeon again hopefully he'll give me the clear to start lifting things again i mean so

(14:52) I can help out that way just play it up like you didn't and then you just have to pass off the work to her oh no i don't want to go through that again that that was uh you know it was a really tough uh you know recovery don't want to do that again yeah fair besides I already used up all my sick leave that so had to wait a few years to let it bank up again yeah how about uh everybody else what has everybody else been up to how how is everybody else doing hey AB Abdul i think Ron's calling you i don't know if

(15:48) Ron actually I'm also cooking dinner so there's going to be a lot of background noise that's why I've kept myself mute it's okay i was just trying to check who is warehouse operation going oh can't complain pretty good it's I mean we have been pretty backlogged uh trying to push out like 1500,000 ship unit shipment every week but I mean probably it was my mistake i ordered a lot of inventory like in the last couple of months so we had like 6 7,000 units sitting in the warehouse so I haven't ordered anything for like 3 weeks and still we have got a

(16:21) 3200 unit shipment going out to US probably next week i hope so and after that I'll I'll be more careful with my ordering speed I think so solid solid uh the reason I I asked is um I made a post in the group about uh L sealer and the shrink wrap um what's your take on it do you think that um item like those and Jordan you can comment um helps a a great deal or is just uh convenience i'm sorry I couldn't get the first part of that no I was asking I made a post asking about a cheap alternative for like a L

(17:09) sealer and um T and a heat shrink tunnel uh was asking is items like those just convenience or is it like um necess is it very helpful so honestly we we don't sugar anything we just put it in poly bags and ship it out um I I think like unless you are doing like probably I don't I think Jordan could come in better but if you are doing like hundreds of units of same item together probably then the machine or the whole shrink wrap setup could make sense but if you're trying to get into that uh thing where you just wrap it and then you're kind of pro applying the heat manually in another step it's going to

(17:49) be more timeconuming from what I've heard and I used to have a whole p poly tubing setup going but but it was like it used to take like three times more or three times three more times like to prep the stuff than what we kind of the time consumed to get it into the poly bag and seal it and Ron so like that's something like if you were talking about like just like a standard uh like a standard sealer um and like where you're making your own bags like that's not time efficient whatsoever uh I know a couple people in

(18:22) here have things like that where they make their own bags and then they just seal them with like a a heat sealer uh there's also like the the actual like shrink wrap machines like I believe you were talking about those definitely can save a lot of time like Abdul mentioned if you're doing a lot of same unit um they can you can get cheaper units from China uh they're still going to run you like a couple grand uh but they're not going to be like tens of thousands of dollars like some that you find locally

(18:50) uh but a lot of those guys that you get unless you really shop around uh if you get them from China they're they're typically they come in like Chinese writing they're hard to set up and sometimes they don't handle very big very big products or a lot of weight or very diverse uh if that's something that you're looking into like I I don't use those because we don't simply have the room right now i've looked into them quite heavily in the past uh but if you want like if that's what you're looking into I would recommend that you reach out to Nolan like from Dispatch um you

(19:24) can just message him in the server directly or send him a message because he has a couple of machines at his warehouse yeah and I also think uh uh Ali from the web prep he also has that machine he also got a report from China so he could help you with that as well but yeah if if you really want to i was just intrigued because I was speaking to a OA seller um they're in their 40s and um they just purchased one so I was like um h maybe there's something cheaper on the market yeah like the ones that are going to like be

(20:04) worthwhile or the ones that are going to be like fully fully automated like autobaging auto sealing right like there's machines where you do it manually in my opinion those are those aren't really worthwhile because you can do a polyag same amount of time or less the ones that are worthwhile are fully automated they have belt driven uh where you can put your your units on there it detects them it autobags them it auto seals them those are the ones that would be worthwhile but those are also the ones that typically cost a fair bit more

(20:37) the guy that you were talking to Ron uh did he say how much the machine was that he bought she said it was under 3,000 US that's probably not that bad depending on what capabilities it has let me see if I can um take a picture and put it in a group and I was like "Nice." But I was like "She's more of an OA seller.

(21:05) " So I was like "I don't know." But she's doing uh well she says she's doing like 8,000 units a month so she's big yeah like I suppose if it's if it's automatic like that's a pretty good price but again if it's if it's a lot of manual in my opinion it probably wouldn't be likely worthwhile i I don't see it being worthwhile but yeah like 3,000 US for that like that's if it's actually automatic i would like to see a picture because like that's not bad i've I almost spent that [ __ ] much on her table so I I I kind of got cheap on my tables i got the folding tables from Canadian Tower Walmart and got those metal like

(21:52) extenders from Amazon for the last year and a half it has been it has been pretty good can't complain about it yeah we started with folding tables too and there absolutely nothing wrong with them um the issues that we had is we were putting so much weight on them like they were they were flexing in the middle and I was just waiting for them to snap thankfully they didn't um but we also never extended them either just like they were very low and it was just killer on the lower back it would have made sense if we had extenders a lot sooner but I just said [ __ ] it and we just got like the full steel tables

(22:23) from Uline yeah I mean that's that's pretty awesome um if if you if you can kind of if you're willing to spend that kind of money I was like no I mean the metal leg extenders aren't going anywhere if the table of snaps I'll spend another $40 and get one more 100% yeah that looks like one of those it looks It's hard to say but that looks like it's an automatic machine like belt driven interesting interesting ask her where she got it Ron if you can if you still talk to her she got it from China like did she buy on Alibaba

(23:11) i didn't go that deep i was more interested of her at her age she's doing um that much unit with her and her husband alone yeah some people can really some people can really surprise you man yeah i mean even with the machines and everything even if you've got rewards 8,000 units between two people is crazy it's not it's not that bad like if if they're working Yeah like that's that's pretty good but like full-time it's not it's not that crazy yeah but I mean one of them would also be taking care of the account health issues and sourcing and

(23:50) everything of that kind so I mean yeah that depends how many hours you're putting in divided by that's like if they're both s if they're both if they're both prepping that's like 33 hours a week prepping between both of them it's not bad but that's not that bad yeah i mean that's Yeah that's an elevator yeah makes sense actually so my guys my guy has been prepping slow i think you guys are slipping you're not you're not tracking the Yeah no I'm not messing the prep at all i'm just kind of uh going crazy with cursor these days i've got like two two guys who have hired from Pakistan who are helping me

(24:34) with a lot of softwares and chrome brow extensions everything I had in mind so working with them these days quite extensively and whatever they send me I just run it through curs and kind of try to impress them with my knowledge yeah right on so you have more projects on the go then yeah yeah uh so this is something that so basically the back end of this was already developed it was working so we just need a front end for this to be developed that's what we did for the last couple of I mean I would say it it was a 3 4 day project right now but now we are working on chrome extension remember the Google last thing

(25:10) I was talking about but rather than running from API we are now kind of um using the chrome browser session so that way it doesn't get flagged by uh Google because you know you have got all the session 90s and a trusted profile so you can kind of hit like five two to 300 products per hour and you won't get captures or anything of that sort so we are trying to kind of build an extension around that that would all be the same thing local and um cross border but again that would be using the uh users own Chrome browser in kind of invisible

(25:45) tab tab mode so that would get you refresh the results and then uh you could get obviously go through the results and see if something interest you you can click it and open it and buy it nice very cool yeah so that's something that that we will start doing right after this whole thing kind of finalizes and we launch so this whole I mean this um A2A thing has is kind of finalized in a way that it's just waiting on me for the content writing and everything and the authentication needs to be done through uh stripe so we are waiting for stripe

(26:21) to come back to us with the approval um so it's taking them some long because my business is registered on my name it's a sole proprietorship and so it's it's a hard task for someone sitting in Flip to explain to them why this is a sole proprietorship so are you putting the software under its own separate entity or are you like blanketing it under your like your personal entity no it's under my personal entity but the thing is that the that the uh entire branding and everything it would never never reveal my my my kind of my name

(27:00) and stuff like that so they are trying to look for that on the website i'm like I'm I'm not putting out my name and my address there so I've been going back and forth with them sorry um one thing with that so I'm not sure like how aware you are with it but just keep in mind like if you're not wanting to like quote unquote expose yourself uh just keep in mind that like chances are that either on your Stripe invoices or via request they're going to probably have to have like your GST number on there so just keep that in mind because that could link back to if you don't have a separate entity

(27:38) i guess in your case it would be HST number yeah that's that's that's fine i mean a lot of people won't go and look after the HSC number but I just wouldn't want it to be out there on the website fair enough yeah oh I I certainly would look it up uh Mo Simon how's it going i know you were in the session yesterday but you didn't really chat a whole lot chokei was kind of going hard what's been going on if you're here Miko I'm here actually i just want to get some Chinese output so I'm on the way home now so just listening at yeah right

(28:31) on but overall how's it going what's been going on yeah I mean nothing special the usual uh business at work and try to cook something on the way yeah cool cool so you mentioned earlier today that life has gotten easier since you joined in the server is that just because like you've been earning some extra money with your flips that you've been doing yeah i I mean in general I always like to flip some stuff so uh back in the days I like to flip like amiios um limited run games some eliminations uh games in general and since I joined air I mean I

(29:22) I've seen so many kind of products that I I learned that I could flip and I just enjoy that and buy more stuff selling more stuff and like I have more things that I can sell my eBay store so I just go with that for now and I enjoy it beauty so I mentioned to you earlier because like you had mentioned something about uh just you said basically surviving every month so did you want to talk about some ways that you could potentially earn some more money for little to no investment yeah I mean I try to I mean I I difficult to um express myself because my it's maybe a

(30:10) language uh barrier or something like that but I mean these days uh been difficult for me because uh I live my wife and she's not working so I manage by myself since like a few years i I pay for everything so I have my own salary i do my own stuff i have my sideline uh reselling and I just try to find maybe a way to get some extra to get some extra bucks uh every month so that's why I've like to reselling stuff since uh the last few years uh so I try to find a good way to I don't know i I I try to find a way to get access to

(31:07) uh more items that I can get to reselling so that's why I've been into butting since the last month uh I've been into Stellar a lot since last month try to uh figure it out try to see how to use it and I I just try to I don't know I mean buy a lot of stuff and just resell it as a hobby but for now I mean it's nothing serious actually it's just like play around I would say uh right now of course it it seems like you're doing relatively decent on eBay because you post that your sales that you make quite often so it seems like you're making fairly consistent sales

(31:53) Yeah I think approximately I make maybe five or seven sales a week but I would not say I would not say it's very efficient because I mean uh maybe half of the sales that I do right now maybe comes from the group so it's like a real flip but the other part most of the sale that I do it's like it's comes from my personal game collection because I have uh I have too many games at homes and uh I've been back in the days I was very heavy into uh gaming collection like I have so many Nintendo games at home i have uh almost a full set of Wii U GameCube

(32:47) uh and Nintendo 64 uh games at home uh and I've been past this obby so I want to cleaning my my room so I've been selling my stuff actually so I not really consider it like real sales um I I've been hoping to selling my stuff fast so I can get the I forget how you call it but when you sell like 100 items on eBay you get the rated seller something on eBay so I've been trying to get that the top rated seller you get a better rate yeah for sure i've been working on that don't downplay it just because you're selling like your personal stuff you're still making sales and you're still bringing

(33:40) in money so just because it's like your personal items it doesn't mean you can't count it but so I mean oh sorry go ahead what's annoying me is like I pay so much tax and it's all on the personal side so I mean it's I I realize that I lose so much money because I I mean I sell my stuff I pay the eBay fee and then I pay the tax on eBay fee and then I cannot get it back so I feel it's like such a loss for me but I've been uh live with that you know yeah so like I'm not sure specifically with Quebec so like I I am unfortunately registered for QST anybody outside of Quebec I would

(34:24) highly recommend that you do not do that um but like with being a resident of Quebec I would assume it's similar to elsewhere in Canada that if you are registered for those numbers which you may or may not be ready for that yet but I would assume that when you are registered that you can claim back those taxes correct I I would assume so um but what I wanted to mention though is because like if somebody is say just starting out and say like they don't have a a ton of capital to get started with i love talking to people

(35:01) like that because I mean I started in a relatively similar scenario i started my Amazon business with $1,000 total and about like I think it was like $300 of that went towards buying a computer for myself and that's how I got started so I mean I've been in similar situations to lots of other people that have started the same way uh you heard some people earlier talking about selling books and like if you are willing to do that for Amazon I do very much so still believe that that can be a super viable profitable way it can be a grind and it

(35:36) can take up a fair bit of time but it can be very profitable especially starting with more limited capital but there's some other things that you can also take advantage of um have you looked into the freebies in our utility server at all have you tried taking advantage of any of those guys i mean if you talk about the freebies from I know uh the Amazon things that uh you buy stuff make a reviews i did buy a few of them but I mean every time I buy it it's because I I want to to keep it yeah you know so

(36:15) I mean there was many like the the last few month there was many hunting camera so I've been getting them because I hunting the beer hunting the deer stuff like that so I took them uh but I never really think about taking these and resell it like I just want to keep it for myself actually but it was always a good deal so I would I would highly recommend that you you you flip that and have go go go into it with the the thought process of getting them to flip because you can essentially make pretty close to free money mo like a lot of products are completely free some cost a very small

(36:57) amount like you have to pay like a small fee for them and they can be extremely profitable um you're are you in a major city in Quebec or are you in a smaller city yeah I mean I I live in Montreal so it's I mean I I sell a lot on marketplace it's uh very um it's very hot in Montreal so uh that's why I mean I've bought many uh you know the game uh Cloud Obscure Expedition 33 i I bought so many of these because it's very very hot here in Montreal so I mean when it's come to selling online in marketplace uh it's really the best city I think in uh one

(37:39) of the best maybe in Canada in Montreal is good yeah so you have you have a goodiz marketplace so that can be very very viable for you so I would highly encourage you to start trying to take advantage of more of those guys and like look at products that even if they're not super expensive but like obvious ones that cost a little bit more like say if you come across like a gaming chair or like those change tables that popped up etc those have high potential for profit but even stuff that's like worth like 40 50 60 bucks uh look at those guys and just uh pull just search

(38:10) for those keywords on Amazon so like say for example if we pull up one product let me look in the utility server what's been posted here recently um if we look at like that work light stand so that work light stand I would just go on Amazon i would search for work light work lights with stand look at similar products see what they're selling for uh kind of the average and you'll probably also see the stat of how many are selling per month so like 50 plus 100 plus etc then you can kind of ga you can kind of gauge on how popular

(38:40) it is right so if you have multiple listings that are selling 50 100 200 plus units a month there's probably some decent demand for that product and like say if it's selling on Amazon for 100 $150 $200 then you can usually flip them relatively quickly if they have a decent demand for like 50 to 60% of retail price so like if it's selling if it's selling for 200 bucks post up on marketplace for 100 bucks chances are you'll probably sell it pretty quickly and you'll make a pretty healthy ROI helpful and so like it it is like obviously like you've you've gotten a few freebies and

(39:18) it's like with anything it has its own individual learning curve it's not too too difficult but you have to kind of learn the process of being able to contact the the providers leaving the reviews sending them the screenshots etc but it's relatively easy once you keep track of it and it's funny because my brother I was mentioning this my brother has been taking advantage of this recently because he's somebody who doesn't have a lot of money and so I showed him how to do this and so he's been going pretty deep into it and then when I was over there the other day I

(39:48) was like you know like I don't know why like we're in a community of entrepreneurs right i've never heard anybody talk about this i was like I just had this random thought why doesn't somebody and I'm not saying for this for you Simon but why doesn't somebody have this thought that why don't they just contact all these freebie providers and say "Hey I'm going to start this business i'm going to say start 50 Amazon accounts i want you to send me all the products that you have you don't have to you don't have to deal with

(40:16) anybody at all i'm going to buy them all i'll I'll do all the reviews i'll figure out all the back end you send the products to me and then you can just basically start like a liquidation store and have almost no cost for inventory that's crazy obviously you need some capital like in or a decent sized limit credit card to get started but I was like why doesn't somebody do that like that's very possible then you can just say hire a VA to monitor things when they get received leave reviews etc jordan I tried that amazon review uh

(40:46) kind of video my ability to leave reviews was that Abdull i'm saying I tried to do that on a couple of accounts amazon uh kind of withdrew the ability that I had to leave reviews and said that you cannot leave reviews on products anymore so do you know why like do you know what triggered that because I mean yeah because I I think it's they are noticing like if I'm buying from the same IP address or even in the same area and I'm kind of going in and uh giving reviews of the same product so I think that would definitely raise a flag if you can kind of uh sophisticate it a bit

(41:23) probably use VPSs and stuff and use uh kind of shipping addresses all across the country maybe it's it would be a different story altogether but I was naive i I wasn't in the business back then so I was just trying to make some free money and it stopped after like two products so yeah with that like my my thought process is I would use like live accounts so I would like use people that I know like so sisters brothers uh parents friends family etc i would use their accounts because they're they're live accounts with real activity right and those have

(41:56) a much higher success rate in general if you're buying multiple products from different accounts yeah and also like um before before you start doing that I mean from what I've heard because I I cannot I I now use my wife's account because for prime shipping but um from what I have heard you you need to kind of start building a history to tell Amazon that you are you kind of like to leave reviews because if if if you are getting a product which has like next to zero reviews and you can buy it and then leave a review on that product only that also raises a flag of course of course but yeah like with doing this

(42:34) though um just like you say getting started and just grabbing you know one of every product or whatever one of what one of whatever you want that's typically a non-issue but when you if you attempt to scale it then yes you have to certainly figure out those logistics but I've been thinking about it i'm like why doesn't somebody do that because yes there's going to be its own issues but I don't think they're that hard to to get past because you so because you would certainly need certain like uh additional credit cards and whatnot as

(43:07) well but with services like Van or Keep you can literally generate as many credit cards as you want in my last neighborhood there was a guy who um who had a truck and a trailer so that he would come up before every garbage pickup the night before that and if anyone has put out any major appliances or TVs or stuff like that he would just load load up onto his truck and trailer and would take it away i was like this is a good business model you have like zero investment and if you if you are handy enough and you can fix it you are making good amount of money i

(43:42) know somebody who makes multiple six figures a year in profit simply by stripping and repairing appliances primarily stripping and selling the parts they pick up appliances for basically nothing and local they post ads saying that we'll come pick up we'll come take out your washer your fridges whatever and that they take them if they're working they sell them if they need a small part they fix them but they primarily strip them and sell them for parts on eBay the ROS crazy on these kind of businesses yeah I've also seen somebody do that

(44:16) exact same model but with uh auto parts so going what they did they did relatively smart uh some some of it at risk but posting different types of auto parts used obviously uh making sure that the autoard had certain amount of cars that has these parts post them before they even get them sell them on eBay then when they sell they go to the the autorecord rip them out and and ship them off that's next level drop shipping pretty much that's what I just That's what I just did actually with a perfume you did

(44:49) that with a perfume yeah I actually just did that today like I went to this uh store and I spoke with the guy i told him like way before that like a month ago told him "Listen I'm going to take a couple pictures of the stuff you have sell it on eBay and uh then if I get a sale I'll come in your shop buy the product or we can like separate the profit." And he was like "All right.

(45:18) " So I have like a bunch of his products on my storefront yeah see exactly and you you can do these on like no investment no investment dude yeah yeah so I think Yeah sorry go ahead oh no go ahead yeah so So any of you guys have looked into this uh software that uh three codes have recently bought their seller running oh don't don't promote Three Colts i [ __ ] hate Three Colts yeah I know i know honestly I haven't used the software but apparently it's approved by Amazon and it's it's it's a it's a kind of way

(46:01) it's it's drop shipping but in a different way so basically what the the software is all about finding arbitrage across different markets and um so for example let's put it this way that for example there's a a product in US that sells for let's say three times the price in the in Canada so the seller is going to list it as FBM uh once they get an order from an Amazon.

(46:25) ca customer they would buy it from either Amazon.com or Walmart get it shipped to their house or the prep center and then that would be sent to the customer and that's perfectly legal as per Amazon's to that's the exact same business model that Leger does like Leger that's on every every listing all over the US and Canada that's what they do yeah because I mean I was I was I was shocked like this is actually the kind of business that that that would require like very little capital to start with and can get you some good ROI mhm that that's interesting because I

(47:00) didn't know that that software like that was publicly available cuz I know Lagger's been doing that for like a [ __ ] decade uh but it's interesting because I didn't know that that software was accessible yo can you repeat that and then catch what you were saying about Lagger me yeah yeah like what he does actually cuz I'm I always wonder so Abdul mentioned about three cults purchasing a software that finds arbitrage opportunities between marketplaces specifically it sounds like from like other market places like uh Walmart and Amazon etc and uh it lists products FBM so when

(47:40) somebody buys a product uh the software will automatically purchase that product for you either from Amazon or from Walmart send it to you or your prep center and then you're able to repack that and send it to to the customer that's exactly what Laker does oh [ __ ] no way 100% i've confirmed I've confirmed it with products that they've actually purchased on listings like I've I've talked to people that they've had Leger buy their products and then they also tested it like where uh Leger listed their product uh in Canada when

(48:11) they were only listed in the US so they purchased their product uh from Leger and that's exactly what happened they they purchased it from them and then sent it to them one thing that I I wonder how why Lagger is still there because [ __ ] man [ __ ] FBM is when I when I tried it it kicked my ass dude like like seriously well they probably like I believe from what I remember I haven't looked into Leger for a long time i believe they're based in the US so they probably have more favorable rates of course even into Canada and they'll probably also have

(48:48) fairly good negotiated contracts with places like USPS because of the volume that they do right right because from what I recall I believe Lagger is doing like let's pull them up i want to say like they're doing like a 100,000 plus orders a month from last time I looked at them i believe might be that might be high i haven't looked at them for a long time but let's see they have 200,000 active across their store crazy yeah and in Canada they have 324 reviews in the last 30 days so they're probably at a minimum doing 30,000 orders a month

(49:35) and also like a lot of U persists from Canada that used to sell in US now because of this whole 3 to1 [ __ ] going through uh I notice a lot more FBM offers from them probably the same business model mhm yeah i believe like Leger's been doing this for a long time uh I think they're the ones that probably do that that specific business business model the best because like it's technically drop shipping what they're doing but it's within Amazon's guidelines very very difficult to do at that scale but if you have software that does it like what Abdul mentioned about free cult having

(50:11) that helps that process immensely and also like um there I don't remember at one point in time I was exploring eBay drop shipping and there's there's a software of um that that like that is holy viable for for the eBay drop shipping uh so basically it kind of automates the entire ordering process and everything but it also supports Amazon's marketplaces so and it's pretty cheap it's like $29 plus something for a month for I I would like to say 10,000 listings or something so as soon as you get an order it gets updated in the system you just go you have already linked the product to the source you

(50:49) just press buy now the system would go in buy make a purchase for you get it shipped to your address first you get and you just kind of go back to the system get a shipping label from them and then ship it out right yeah software is called AutoDS yeah yeah that's that's that's the one right it's extremely glitchy has a lot of problems oh really uh I I I I used it for like six or seven orders mine were fine but yeah I mean I was losing money at that point because my the guy who was managing my eBay drop shipping he didn't know anything about taxes and stuff so I was paying taxes um uh the USA sales

(51:28) taxes because the accounts that are buying through were not exempt and actually because I was I was working at what a dollar or $2 margin but I was kind of started losing money so I just shut down the business come on dude you're a CPA you should know this oh yeah man I did and I did my research i I asked GPD I asked Google if if uh DS would buy account buy from Amazon accounts which are marked as uh tax exempt and the answer was yes and even autods said yes but then when I got the invoice it has still sales tax and I was like what's that and they were like our accounts get shut so frequently that

(52:05) we have stopped offering the service I was like yeah [ __ ] fair enough so Evan I assume that you tried that software as well at some Yeah I tried e eBay drop shipping uh a while ago and um it's uh it didn't last too long primarily because um though at the very beginning say around 2016 2017 it was pretty lucrative and I arrived relatively late to it say around 2018 but by that time uh the majority of sellers on eBay who were doing e eBay drop shipping were um profiting only from cash back basically so they it wasn't um wasn't that lucrative and to me it just seemed like you were spending more time um than uh

(52:54) than it than it was worth for the what little money you were receiving yeah like I still think there's um was it you chilling that we had that conversation about drop shipping not that long ago it was it might have been you it might have been Jeff no no I think it was Jeff who's not here um he he was asking about drop shipping because of course there's all these gurus online everywhere that are selling you drop shipping courses and show they're making all this money i still think that there's opportunity in drop shipping but it's not just like buy any generic shitty Chinese product and be

(53:27) able to sell it open up a Shopify store and make bank you have to be a little bit more creative with it have more unique products stuff that's harder to source etc like there's still opportunity but it's a lot harder than what people think a lot of people go into drop shipping because they think it's going to be super easy money which it's not yeah and if you want to start Shopify store go for added products they sell like crazy because a lot of people won't buy them in store go for what kind of products uh the added products yeah

(54:01) um but Simon with your you mentioned that your wife isn't working correct if you're still here if he's on speaker phone maybe I just expose him he might be getting He might be gettinged by his wife now i said him a night he's going to sleep on the couch now i hope I didn't cause your divorce Simon that would be too extreme oh I'm sorry blink twice if uh if if you're okay it's quiet now maybe you're not here anymore how is everybody handling the heat in the heat wave what's that Ron i was asking everybody how are they

(54:56) handling the heatwave i expect Jordan jordan live um somewhere cold yeah what do you mean heat wave it's only 22 degrees here right now heatwave my ass it was just raining not that long ago speaking with um a family member and when I went there there was it was extremely cold and it's up north Ontario side and um he's like time is really hot like Jamaica is not this hot so I was like and I know I'm dying in Jamaica so I was like first is in Toronto and how are you guys handling it how's everybody else handling i know I

(55:42) know Ontario is pretty pretty hot right now in Montre and Quebec i think my AC unit has been on nonstop it I've set it I I mean I set it to like 19° C in general so it's it's maintaining it at 20 but it's not really like you know like and I mean it's a it's a stack townhouse so the air just flows everywhere the higher you go up in the house the warmer but thankfully at least have AC i've heard of people who don't have apartments with ACs period or you know they're not working to the efficient level i know Toronto had a couple of uh

(56:18) electricity like outages as well in the past two days like in like core downtown so yeah and even at some some schools too particularly in uh Hamilton and Toronto um parents have decided to keep their their kids out of schools because there's only either air conditioning in certain parts of the school or there's no air conditioning in some schools some of you guys in here some of you guys in here are from parts of the world you guys should be able to handle it oh yeah i was in the Middle East and and Asia before like a month before this and

(56:57) I'm like "Oh this this is normal." What do you mean heat wave warning so it's like daily for them it's like 40° this amount of humidity on a day yeah but I mean if I'm if I'm I'm not I'm not worried about snowtorms so it's not cool it's cheating you guys are getting soft being in Canada too long yeah it's like I didn't I guess [Music] I went to the Middle East once in the I went out I went outside around it was late September um early October i went outside i almost died hot time was and I was just walking from

(57:49) one hotel to the next but that just remind me like last year um in the summer when um there was a power outage and I I'm staying in Brumton oh gosh the heat come on man you're crazy you're Jamaican you should be able to handle it ah um heat is on a different level any summer uh Inca finds flips how's it going you both popped in here haven't said hi haven't said nothing not too bad how are you good good good good good to hear what have you been having going on nothing just have my head down and working nothing else to be honest just uh pushing hard on eBay and Amazon going on

(58:50) Walmart too and uh that's about it walmart Canada or US canada and like are you fully established on there now uh yeah I am established but I'm just waiting for Lego approval and uh that's it cuz I mainly just want to do Lego on Walmart fair i heard getting approved for brands on Walmart is usually pretty easy yeah it is but I don't know why there's some uh something wrong with my account so I've been just going back and forth with them for a couple weeks now it's a bit of a pain but hopefully uh I get

(59:26) approved soon have you found like how how the Lego markets from what you can see compare on Walmart versus like Amazon as an example i just think it's just slower sure the margins might be better um and you have another sales channel just in case anything happens on the Canadian side for LEGO um but I think that eventually Walmart will be at the point of Amazon as well if they really step up their game well it seems like they're getting very aggressive in the US and they are very quickly starting to take market

(1:00:02) absolutely i see some sellers killing it on uh Walmart in the US and uh it's good to see that potential there too 100% and it's nice to have competition and hopefully makes Amazon shape up a little bit but we know exactly that's probably not going to happen i heard a quote a long time ago that uh Jeff Bezos always had the expectation that eventually Amazon will go bankrupt so it's like always in the back of your mind is like maybe like this is their [ __ ] Lassera going on amazon lit was was was kind of um a shocker for me

(1:00:46) yeah for like how what kind of scale that they had uh but like they said like so I had the expectation because of like the court order all that [ __ ] that it was like something to do with insolveny etc etc uh from what I've seen they claim that that's not the case so I think a lot of it just stemmed from the probably suspension that they had and potentially the prior lawsuit that they had with Amazon but I mean really who knows they might have just it might just be it was their time they might just want to be [ __ ] focusing on more

(1:01:21) courses i I don't know yeah i mean also like um I think maybe a couple of days back one of the videos came into my feed and I I guess Eric Yeah Eric is the guy with the beard right so he he's planning to move to Texas or Florida and kind of establishing a new Amazon business there so probably I'm I mean they I I think it was it was more of um I would say they they they were just done with with the courses like a lot of products that they was they were on honestly even if they were getting it even with the cost of

(1:01:58) cost of manufacturing even they would then they would be making like pennies and the and their operations were huge like based on the discussion that I had with them at AMC United they had like 50 to 70 full-time employees based at US so just imagine the payroll that they would be running right and then if they were leveraging any any kind of debt like something like a a temporary two week suspension I think that that's what they had on Amazon i think it was two weeks because they weren't following bundling policies uh that could be that that can

(1:02:28) that could kill your business because if you're running in debt and you owe creditors money and you have bills you have to pay certain certain times that could [ __ ] destroy you and also like I think it's it's always always easy to start start off a new business at a lower scale rather than kind of scaling back your existing business because you've got employees that you need to get rid of and stuff like that so if if because a lot of their products from what they used to make profit was bundling and since that was gone so maybe that was the a business decision

(1:02:58) that they took to file bankruptcy and to start over again yeah potentially it's It's always hard for me to like trust anything that anybody says online because so many people are so full of [ __ ] i know i know but yeah these these guys were like I mean the courses were [ __ ] expensive but other than that like these guys were knowledgeable i mean they they were not just putting stuff out for kind of pulling a stuff from thin air and making stuff up they they knew what they were talking about yeah and I agree and

(1:03:29) like you could see like just based on like the volume that they're doing in their store and yeah like they clearly were around the block for a while and had a good experience and have built you know a real business but I mean just like who really knows like in the back end of like how sustainable it actually was or what kind of actual financial issues that they had or whatever the case may be right and those are things we probably will never know yeah true and also like um they they kind of wanted to move towards uh software as as well i think source correct or something that they launched

(1:04:02) it was like freaking $600 a month um so yeah I mean obviously if if if you you your your business is doing good and you're making good profit you hardly you kind of try to focus on on making more money through that or expanding into more more retail channels that would be Walmart i mean pretty I'm pretty sure Walmart would have welcomed them with open arms or for that matter probably trying to open up to their own and they if I'm not wrong they also tried to establish their own wholesale company as well

(1:04:36) yeah I believe I heard I heard that quite a long time ago i don't know if they were still doing that though yeah yeah he he used to shoot people on that that how people used to reach out to them uh how especially Amazon sellers but I think um they I mean apparently the the efforts they were making were either because they were they wanted to expand or maybe they were just not making enough financially yeah it'd be nice it'd be nice to know but we probably will never know the the real reason behind it right yeah true

(1:05:13) but yeah when like when I seen that like so in the recent months like a lot of a lot of guru [ __ ] online has went away because just like Amazon getting more difficult in general but then like once I' seen that like I think like it shocked a lot of people and then like all of a sudden like just stopped seeing so much garbage online so I think it's a net benefit to the community overall but how long that's going to last is another story yeah I mean also like Amazon has been getting a a bit crazy at this point like

(1:05:49) they would just shut down entire brands at at at couple of hours notice and stuff like that i really want Walmart to become big and to give them some tough time i agree and it's it's certainly needed in the marketplace because Amazon certainly abuses their sellers like in a way that shouldn't happen so I definitely agree yeah i mean Amazon like for example including me and everyone who has got section 3 it's like saying that you are guilty prove you are innocent it's not the other way around yep um Evan you mentioned about Tekken sports eBay software did you see when I posted about that video in the chat like

(1:06:30) a couple weeks ago i did yes i actually watched his uh that video is that that was the video correct me if I'm wrong was he demonstrating the software in that one or was he just announcing it it was it was the full demo yeah I I watched that one and then uh he had a video right after um a com part a component of which was you know reviewing the the shirts that he had found for the week and then he uh had part of it dedicated to uh to showing the software again and it's pretty neat um what it can do for you and uh so it would save you hours and hours of work especially if you're a

(1:07:07) a higher volume seller on eBay or if like me you're interested in striking a balance more towards uh sales on eBay and sales on Amazon as opposed to focusing um solely or or almost exclusively on one of the two marketplaces 100% and like so it was I think it was last week two weeks ago uh my brother and I listed like a lot of stuff that I just had pending on eBay um and I don't know I think we made probably 20 30 listings and so like the process was working where like he had like the photos already done before I even got there um he had all the

(1:07:44) dimensions already written down because like he does everything by paper because he's old um but so he was getting everything uploaded uh he was finding like the the sold comps uploading it getting all the details and everything inputed and then I was going in there and I was determining the selling price and um actually like listing listing the products uh and that was our process to to get through everything and so just doing that like the 30 probably 30-ish listings that we had took us multiple hours and yeah just seeing a comparison to that software it would have taken nowhere near that like my

(1:08:23) brother literally took him pictures and done everything basically within like 20 minutes and it's so cheap too i think he's only charging $49.99 for I think it's 100 listings and then um it's $49.99 US of course um but then for any other listings beyond 100 you only pay 50 cents so you just build that into your cost of goods like that's a phenomenal price my immediate thought when I saw that is like I don't think it'd be that hard to replicate that software i think like where the most unique thing is because from my understanding for standard API access for eBay and I mean

(1:08:59) if you're not into coding that's completely fine but I've just been like so enthralled with AI these last couple months um just so much business opportunity but when I looked at that uh eBay API for standard access is entirely free you don't have to pay for it until you start doing like volume requests so I believe like where his major costs are coming from is one is his hosting which probably doesn't cost a lot but probably like whatever software he's using for like the the image recognition that's probably like where most of the costs are coming from so if you could find

(1:09:28) like the one that he's using because I doubt they developed one themselves uh especially if it's costing them money um yeah I think it'd be a software that's pretty easily replicatable yeah yeah and he's pretty transparent about that uh in a subsequent video uh that uh the the the charge charges for the tokens are just based on the uh the use of the server and the image uh the image recognition software and so on and so forth um but still it's I mean I mean if you're willing to do that kind of leg work sure but if you don't have a lot of time like me for example if you have a

(1:10:04) full-time job and you're just doing reselling on the side hoping to scale it to the point that you don't have to have a 9 to5 anymore it's a great interim solution oh 100% yeah like for for most people it makes more sense just to pay that monthly fee and I certainly wouldn't want to spend the time to recreate it but like my immediate thought just like oh that could be replicated easily there's business opportunity here yeah definitely yeah uh Jeff who's in here JD he's a full-time software engineer i've been trying to convince him for like over a year to quit his job to help just like

(1:10:38) work with me and start building projects and [ __ ] together but he won't do it and I um actually my Amazon sales have gotten a lot better um following the advice of the people in the group so within the last uh 30 days I've been at this for a number of years now but only recently have had some sense of what I was doing and just in the last 30 days I've got $3,000 in sales so beautiful and is that your highest month uh today yeah so far yeah excellent and is that like are you doing any arbitrage or is that all books uh it's most right now it's arbitrage um

(1:11:17) I do have some there are some book sales coming up in the area one uh one in my town next uh week and last year I think I got about 50 books there and I made almost a couple thousand dollars from it so I'm going to send in um a load of books and then I'll just do kind of probably arbitrageing books cuz I enjoy the books it's just that because I don't have a lot of time I can't really drive you know all over the place to find books although that's something I would like to do if I had the time um so I try

(1:11:46) to try to incorporate the books you know seasonally and then do arbitrage throughout the year that's the plan for now anyway remember when we talked it was probably either last year 2023 where it's like books wasn't on the table for you you didn't even want to try it and then I just kept pounding you to do it oh yeah I remember see my part of my problem though too is and uh I've gotten gotten better at this is that when I'm scanning the books I'm more tempted to pick up the book and start reading it rather than actually try to get through as many books as as

(1:12:18) quickly as possible cuz I've found some uh books with really obscure titles particularly in philosophy which is you know my academic training so it's hard for me to resist the temptation to not to start to read them but I'm getting better at that so throw them in the cart take them home read them later yeah definitely have have your profits pay for your personal reading yeah and it's it's astonishing the the one book that I found was only I think 50 cents or a dollar and it was some obscure Harley-Davidson publication and um I think I sold it for 60 bucks it

(1:12:53) took a while but uh it was just that just that one book alone was $60 yep there were a few books that I had sold in my past that had very very high returns i I vividly remember uh the first one was a a veterary textbook i just remember it had like a blue cover and a dog on the front i paid I think I think it was like a dollar or two and it sold relatively quickly because I'm pretty sure we were in textbook season at that time and from what I remember I think it sold for like 150 or 200 bucks something like that which at that time I was like holy [ __ ] like I didn't think

(1:13:29) like that was possible and then another one that I remember is when I had that deal with that thrift store and we bought books by the pound i got like almost a complete set of uh the children's children's encyclopedia or the children's book of knowledge some some some general knowledge book for for kids and the editions that I got I think were from like the 1920s and I think like the full set from what I recall I want to say it was like the full set was like 25 or 30 books and I had I was missing just

(1:14:00) a couple and I listed on eBay it took forever to sell but I I paid 10 cents a pound so like it was pretty heavy so I probably ended up paying like five fiveish dollars on for the entire set um maybe a little bit more because it was quite heavy um took forever to sell but I'm pretty sure the entire sets from what I remember sold for like two or three hundred bucks took like I think it took like two years to sell but very very high return oh yeah definitely i mean even some of the books I didn't even realize I have or that I have downstairs um one of them

(1:14:32) is a multi volume set of Harvard classics i mean those are going for several hundred on eBay now those are they have those have sentimental value to me so I won't sell them but even stuff just around the house that you think would be um unprofitable and not worth looking at twice I mean it can be indeed very profitable 100% uh Simon for scanning books like the one that works the quickest um what the hell is it called it's been so Scoutly that's Scoutly yeah that's the one that's like the the one that works the best you can

(1:15:09) use like seller amp as an example but it's just not as quick to populate all the info that you need it's it would take a lot longer to go through a volume of books with Stellar Amp versus Scoutly oh and your um uh your subscription to Scoutly also comes with Turbo Listister a listing software which is very helpful in listing in general but especially with uh with books so really with the subscription that you pay which I think is about $35 per month for Skeletal it's roughly $50 Canadian you also get the

(1:15:40) benefit of that uh that list or two so that you don't have to create your shipments in seller central uh I'm I'm just looking at it now because I always remembered when I was using Skele it was like 10 bucks and I see that they still have a $10 plan like the light plan that doesn't have the database access do you find that you really use the database Evan yeah I have to because um the libraries in my area are are older and uh so they date back more to the 60s and 70s so there's I guess a lot more concrete in them than most of the libraries now like

(1:16:12) most most newer libraries are are primarily glass right um so I have to use the database mode in them and it's just it's just much faster like live tends to spin for you know as much as say 30 seconds in some cases and when you have to scan you know hundreds and hundreds of books that's really going to slow you down at scale yeah that's fair are you using a barcode scanner or using your camera on your phone no no I use the barcode scanner i use the um was it the yo-yo scanner yep i'm pretty sure I still have a couple of those guys kicking around if anybody ever wants if anybody ever wants one i'm

(1:16:49) pretty sure I have two in my drawer right now uh Daniel you popped in here while we were talking how's it going um it's all right sorry I wasn't listening for a lot of that i was just talking to someone damn we were talking all about you oh nice okay perfect that's what I like to hear um yeah i don't know i think I'm in a similar position where I was last time we kind of spoke i almost reached a thousand on Amazon sales the other week and then it slightly dropped off this week but you know it's better than where I was a couple months ago why did it drop off

(1:17:33) you know just me not sending in more products i guess I'm just kind of slacking why do you think you're slacking i don't know many things you know I feel like it's so hard to juggle everything with like a job and reselling and life in general but I feel like it comes and goes it's just hard to stay consistent you got to really want it dude that's true you're right i know cuz then you'll just do it regardless i know i know yeah that's true weren't you with your job previously weren't you kind of like banging your head against the wall so

(1:18:10) you should really you should really want it now that it's it's still a little it's a bit better in the summer but yeah I'm still kind of in the same place like bang my head against the wall just like [ __ ] how do I get out of this [ __ ] you got to want it man be consistent consistency is like the number one thing that separates like people that are not like are not successful and the ones that are like you don't have to know [ __ ] you don't have to be smart you don't have to you don't have to do like anything but just be abnormally

(1:18:40) consistent yeah I can definitely agree with that yeah you can be like like most of the population and be like basically completely stupid uh and you can still succeed yeah you're definitely right um I actually did have one question i was seeing um something in the chat about ungating on Pokemon on Amazon and the method was to go through Staples get a business account and then get those coloring books do you know how long it takes to get like an account set up on Staples cuz I signed up for it maybe two or three weeks ago and I still haven't

(1:19:14) seen anything uh I don't remember myself i know a couple people that have used that method some with uh some with good success some are taking a little bit longer like multiple attempts uh Simon if you're back do you want to share how long it took you to open that account if he's here maybe maybe not uh I might want to just ask because I know a couple people recently I I'll also reach it out to I think it's uh Jason he recently opened up an account as well uh and we'll see what they say yeah I think that's the kind of the next

(1:19:51) step I've been waiting on cuz I have stupid amount of Pokemon cards but you know I feel like I can't get the right prices on marketplace and [ __ ] so I think selling on Amazon would be pretty nice for Pokemon evan mentioned in the chat there that it took him one week to get approved for Staples preferred account oh crap did um did you get like an email from Staples saying it was approved he must have yeah they send you uh they'll send you an email uh just letting you know that you've been approved yet oh crap okay well I'll try again i just need to

(1:20:24) follow up with them yeah yeah you're probably right yeah they're usually pretty fast um for with the approval so I don't know if they might be backlogged or something but uh it shouldn't take any more than a week or so uh yeah I'll definitely follow up then because I think it's been two or three weeks now so have I'm assuming that you're because you're not ungated for Pokemon i'm assuming that you've never sold Pokemon on Amazon previously no I've not okay so you'll typically almost always find higher margins like say for example with those Costco packs if you like you can split those guys up and I want to say

(1:21:03) like the last time I checked the expected payout for those guys was like $250 after Amazon fees wow yeah so it'll be very profitable just but just keep in mind that you will probably have a few issues it shouldn't be that common but like it can happen and unfortunately happens more than you would like it where people just straight try to scam with with uh Pokemon cards like they say they're fake or what kind of happens well that that does happen uh but what happens more is a lot of people will like literally rip packs and then

(1:21:38) send back like empty boxes or packs are ripped etc oh [ __ ] okay so like typically speaking they can almost always get refunded because like all you have to do is like use that material materially different line but where the where the issue comes in is like with the updated sourcing costs so like you have to get like a a decent sourcing cost approved you'll probably still be net net better off selling it on Amazon but you do have to deal with some of those issues yeah that sounds a bit annoying because

(1:22:08) I don't know i haven't experienced any of that like I get the odd email saying someone's returned something but it's all uh FBA so it's like I never have to see any of it or deal with any of it but that sounds like it would get pretty frustrating well yeah like it'll it'll still be FBA and you'll get it sent back to you and like it'll be like a customer damage return and then you have to then you have to [ __ ] remove it and then deal with uh attempting to get refunded for it right oh god yeah that sounds

(1:22:32) like a bit of a nightmare it shouldn't be like that bad like it it just expect it's going to happen but like I said net benefit should still be higher versus selling on marketplace or eBay even if you like consider like the potential losses that you're going to face yeah that's a good uh heads up to have yep uh do you have like how many of those Costco packs did you end up getting uh I got two more in the mail today so I think in total I have 18 or 20 beauty um let's look at the prismatic ETB and the booster bundle on Amazon right now so

(1:23:10) the ETB regular ETB is selling 50 plus per month on Amazon.ca which is good they should move just fine and you should probably expect to sell it for about like around 190 bucks so after Amazon fees about a payout of 150 and then those booster bundles are selling 200 plus per month uh we might see some dips on Amazon just because like the the recent stocks with Costco but I don't imagine it'll happen for very long and those guys are selling for about 130 which is kind of crazy for booster and they with the expected payout after fees

(1:23:43) of about 100 bucks yeah about 250 after fees wow yeah that's pretty solid yeah so probably worth the risk to try them out on Amazon yeah i was trying to buy more on uh marketplace today for like 130 150 but it's like everyone I messaged today they they sold them within a few hours of course it's actually crazy there's people posting on marketplace saying buying all prismatic bundles for 150 like message me now and I'll pick them up like you can go into You can go into some Pokemon TCG groups right now and there's guys in there that will buy as many as you have for 175 bucks a piece holy [ __ ] yeah that's

(1:24:22) that's crazy people really lined up to sell it for like 20 bucks profit but there's so many people at my Costco that are just like grabbing them and like they look like they know nothing about Pokemon they're not reselling like they're just grabbing the [ __ ] cuz they know it's wanted i went to the warehouse last night relatively late at like 10:00 10:30 because I had to pack some uh eBay shipments because the the shipping was overdue and uh I had a Costco order there for the two boxes i was like "Fuck

(1:24:54) I ripped them both god [ __ ] all i got completely [ __ ] on those ones." When I was leaving Costco one of the uh people buying the prismatic bundle they put it back because it was a bit crushed and my friend and a random were like fighting over the broken prismatic box and like my friend got it and we ripped it and there was nothing in it pretty much but funny that people are even like trying to fight over a broken one bro bro Costco is becoming like the Walmart of the US here like legit every time I go to Costco I see a fight over in a parking lot like literally over a

(1:25:29) parking spot every single time I go yeah Costco's bad the parking situation is horrible at Costco every single time it's always hilarious like if I go to Costco like throughout random week because I'm professionally uh unemployed i go there it's just like any random day is just [ __ ] packed it's like what what do you like nobody [ __ ] works and it's like I'm part of the problem yeah i think about that every time every time I go somewhere during work hours I'm like what the [ __ ] do these people Once upon a time used to be empty like I I lived in Kirkland and that was like

(1:26:03) their headquarters and we would go into Costco it would be at in the night time it'd be completely empty it was just insane but now it's like packed 247 well I mean whenever it's open yeah it's surprising like our Costco's here are quite busy uh but yeah like with Pokemon drops not a problem to get them like stay in stock for hours no lines you have a limit of two per person and sometimes you can loop it sometimes not but yeah no issues so yeah uh he find flip said he that the the card issue happened to him he mentioned in the chat sold high value

(1:26:42) card boxes with six packs they took one pack customer claimed one pack was missing got refunded cost was $100 amazon gave me reimbursement for 60 after multiple multiple arguments with seller support so yeah unfortunately that's that can happen yeah I want to say that's like shitty of them to do but you know it's like I've done that with products not Pokemon i've taken [ __ ] like a coffee machine or an air fryer or something which you know it's not the right thing to do it's pretty bad but if you're can't shame these people if I've done it if you're

(1:27:10) going to do it due to Amazon not the third party sellers yeah exactly that's what I tried to do uh oh sorry go ahead have you um like seen anything with Magic the Gathering i think there's been like quite a few boxes that have been going for uh hard retail online recently oh yeah so like the the universes expanded so like the Final Fantasy ones and then the ones that are upcoming for Spider-Man uh specifically the collector booster boxes they're they're stupid but so like that's why we have the Magic the Gathering Spider-Man monitor going right

(1:27:47) now and in the so in the drops and reminders section there's a Magic the Gathering Spider-Man monitor because we're specifically watching for the collector booster boxes that have good prices and then also in the under the filtered monitors category we have a section for cards we have a bunch of different sites that are monitoring for Magic in there as well um and I also mentioned about in the flip alert a couple days ago about Amazon in the US stocking collector boost boxes for like$450 US so we are watching them but almost every single place that's stocking them minus like the few retail stores that

(1:28:30) occasionally get them are selling them for basically market price uh I see do you think Magic's gonna get anywhere near the Pokemon hype right now or is that a little farfetched so probably not but the the universe has expanded um every single set that has happened like since I believe the first one was like the Lord of the Rings like that really popped off mhm uh every single one has performed an enormously well like Final Fantasy went [ __ ] nuts those boxes are like $1,700 right now and MSRP was I I I want to say

(1:29:01) Amazon's even selling it for higher than MSRP i think like it was even less than like$450 US i say it was like closer to like three or $400 um but Lord of the Rings went absolutely stupid too um Fallout went stupid so those will be consistent like Magic is a very established brand they've been around for decades they'll continue to do good with those and also a lot of the Secret Layer drops but it's not going to be like Pokemon and I also think that the Pokemon specific hype is going to be dying soon where um the sets that are coming out

(1:29:34) specifically probably the mega set like the next one that's coming either that one or the next one it'll probably be a case where we're no longer going to be able to just buy them and flip them for 2x immediately um I think I know what I'm expecting i'm scared to buy the black and white bolt like I got the Pokemon Center ETBs coming but other than that I'm scared to buy more i think those will be fine uh Pokemon Center ETBs as up until they are consistently in stock they will still be fine and they will always be fine investments if you're willing to hold on to them like regardless

(1:30:06) uh but those guys should be fine and I think Black Bolt White Flare will probably still be okay for the mainstream products so like ETB uh they don't have any booster boxes but like any ancillary products like booster bundles uh some of the collections are not doing as well so I'm we're already starting to see like the market kind of shift with that and I'm kind of expecting the same thing to happen with the upcoming mega set or the next set but people are still going to have a lot of hype around it and so people are still going to be hyping it up it's still going to sell out very quickly but

(1:30:40) what So let me get into my groove about uh the Pokemon market uh the the Pokemon print cycle is about like 9 to 10 months for them to start printing a product before it hits the market okay and so Pokemon hype really started like it started increasing a lot when 151 was released but it like even 151 back in 2023 was sitting on shelves like uh Costco had the 151 UPC's pallets of them sitting on shelves you go pick them up anytime i've seen those photos oh yeah yeah and you you get as many as you wanted and they were like in Canada I

(1:31:12) think they were like 120 bucks or like $99 now there's some for [ __ ] 500 uh so like 151 started peaking more interest and more and more people started coming back into the hobby and more people got interested um so it started feeding into it a little bit uh surging sparks started increasing interest even more and then that combined with a lot of sneaker heads getting into it combined with um them not printing not expecting the increased demand with it so not having enough product just made the market go stupid um and so were the rip and ships uh

(1:31:50) online stores also something recent or is that been around for a bit it's been around for a bit and it certainly plays into it like they have gained more popularity recently but so like with that um with all those things combined and then plus the distributors when they're seeing the market increase intentionally holding back product and in some cases even selling for market themselves like MJ holdings was um you know quote unquote exposed about they're one of the biggest distributors in North America for Pokemon cards and they supply like Walmart for example they

(1:32:22) themselves are selling directly on Walmart.com under a separate business and they're selling Pokemon cards for market right so they're intentionally holding product back and then when uh stores are wanting to get it they're selling it for higher than um MSRP which is not normal so all those things number one being primarily like distributors like very very shitty things but also like Pokemon just not printing to the current demand is what's playing into these pricings uh but they've had enough time now to reauge their print cycle because it's

(1:33:00) been since like it really really popped off it's been coming up on like nine 10 months so we're getting right into that print cycle so is like 151 still printing it is like that's why we see some random restocks every now and again but it's at the basically the end of its life cycle so like I it's always possible but it's very unlikely that we'll see like a large reprint for 151 even if we do like so like 151 and Prismatic as an example even if we see large reprints for those guys I don't think it'll be enough to really impact the market that much we might see temporary dips like we saw with the uh

(1:33:38) Prismatic ETB when Pokemon Center restocked it but it'll be relatively temporary because like those were both very high demand sets both very specialty they're specialty sets uh Prismatic itself has super high value cards super like raw so I doubt it'll have long-term really large impacts to the market where we'll start to see it is with newer sets coming out because what's going to happen is we're still going to have all this hype everybody's going to still be buying it because they think they can make all this [ __ ] money um the

(1:34:14) stores are going to be placing orders and the way that their allocation works for the stores is right now if a store wants say a thousand boxes of like booster boxes for a product um right now if a store places an order for 1,000 booster boxes they're getting a smaller percentage of that based on their history with that distributor so based on like your spend how much you help that distributor out how many shitty products you buy from them etc if you're a bigger spender you're going to get higher allocation but even very people

(1:34:43) like people that have very high spends are getting a portion of the allocation that they're ordering so they're ordering a thousand boxes they're getting like a 100 or 200 right and so a lot of stores have been intentionally ordering way more uh with the expectation that they're going to only get a smaller percentage that's going to continue to happen because the store owners also are half [ __ ] just like everybody else and all of a sudden you know a store that wants a thousand boxes they're going to order 10,000 and all of a sudden Pokemon's going to print the

(1:35:12) demand and all a sudden those stores are going to be have this bill for these products that they can't afford and what's going to happen when that happens is they're going to [ __ ] fire them off and the market's going to drop massively and quickly because you're going to have a massive influx of products come to the marketplace price is going to just skydive down and that's going to be that's going to be that for new sets i don't see that happen with existing sets that we see right now but for new sets I'm I'm I'm almost willing to wager like everything I have on

(1:35:42) that's going to happen i think you're right i don't think that's too far off i think I've had that feeling for a bit like when is this bubble going to pop but it's like it has to happen at some point this like crazy run can't happen forever well I've listened to a lot of people that have been in the Pokemon industry for a very very long time like decades and they've experienced the same thing like through bull and bar markets exact same things have happened um we haven't in the past seen a market like it is today there

(1:36:12) there's always been bull runs not quite like what we see right now but similar patterns have consistently happened throughout its life cycle so if it doesn't happen with this mega set that's coming up it's probably going to happen with the following set that's releasing after that yeah I think that's fair i think you're right and so there's going to be a lot of people that are you know you know quote unquote investors or flippers whatever that are going to get [ __ ] because they're going super hard on Pokemon they

(1:36:43) don't actually understand the marketplace they're going to [ __ ] over buy and then all of a sudden uh booster boxes and [ __ ] are going to come back down to below MSRP like they were previously like before this bubble you could regularly consistently buy product for lower than MSRP right now like you're you're you're lucky to get things for MSRP and so all these people are going to buy things from regular retails MSRP and then all of a sudden you know booster boxes instead of being 210 they're going to be like 180 190 and a lot of people are going to lose a lot of

(1:37:11) money yeah when comparing uh investments like Lego versus Pokemon long-term world like you know 6 months plus which one do you think is more consistent both so I like them both even if we look at other franchises like uh Magic the Gathering all of them sealed product they just all act very differently so like with Lego as an example uh historical Lego investing like best way to do Lego investing is because like their market's very consistent they almost always print enough stock it's very rare that they

(1:37:44) are out of stock for a set if they are it's usually for a very very short period of time lego has a very good hold on their their products and their production um and their life cycle is very predictable for most sets typically it's one and a half two years max uh sometimes occasionally it can go longer but very very rare and every everyone has typically a specific life cycle and almost every single set uh it goes through its life cycle and then as it's coming close to the end of its life cycle we start to see clearance via LEGO and other retailers as well and so the

(1:38:21) easiest safest in my opinion best way to invest in Lego is track the sets that are going to be retiring buy in on them when you can either get set discounts of about 30-ish% plus or you can manufacture discounts by stacking cash back uh GWPs etc because like you can do that with that model quite consistently that's why we post about them and then just expect that you're going to hold the set after retirement for most of them about anywhere from about 12 to 18 months before it's like a worthwhile selloff and when we say worthwhile

(1:38:55) selloff you're going to buy it hold it And for most sets you're probably going to sell it for an ROI between anywhere from 30 to 100% but holding it for that long uh you can hold it for longer and a lot of sets will appreciate higher but the um the amount of gain that you typically see gain on most sets is it kind of tapers off and it's a much slower gain year-over-year versus like that first about 18 monthsish after retirement uh so that's that's typically the life cycle of Lego unless you're willing to buy sets and hold on to them for like for years and then those will just go

(1:39:31) nuts uh with Pokemon just like with anything else uh as long as you keep it sealed basically every single sealed Pokemon set I believe it's like like 95 or 98% of every single sealed Pokemon product has increased in price uh over time just generally speaking poke seal Pokemon usually takes a bit longer to to appreciate to worthwhile amounts uh and some sets appreciate a lot more than others so like if we look at like last generation for example evolving skies nobody really knew when it was in print on how popular it was going to be and

(1:40:10) now if we look at like an evolving skies booster box I want to say like they're like what like around three grand evolving skies booster box and again this was like MSRP product readily available you could buy it for you know sub $200 uh yeah last sale for Evolving Skies Booster Box was 25,00 bucks most sets do not do that because they don't have that much demand most will increase regularly like most leg most Pokemon as an example will keep pace if not slightly beat out the the regular stock market whereas with LEGO LEGO on average

(1:40:46) does a fair bit better than standard like S&P 500 not considerably but a fair bit better so it's a it's considered a better investment typically than the S&P 500 most standard Pokemon does about the same and then there's those occasional sets or when we go through random bull runs like we see right now where some [ __ ] just pops right the [ __ ] off and they have way way way way higher returns but they're they're all products that are considered if you want to do that route they're considered investments

(1:41:17) where you're buying them holding them and you're essentially I hate the word passive but it's you're essentially holding them passively minimal effort for them to appreciate and then sell over time with very very minimal effort and magic is the boxes sorry one at a time sorry go ahead i was going to say how about Magic magic is similar to Pokemon not as predictable but there are certain products that are more predictable so the only ones I I'm not nearly as knowledgeable about Magic as anything else so the only thing that I can speak on for Magic is their universes beyond

(1:42:00) collector boxes and those they don't have that long of a history like the Universes Beyond um I think when did Lord of the Rings come out like five 10 years ago when did Lord of the Rings Magic the Gathering release i don't think it was that long ago 2023 oh so only a couple years ago so they don't have that long of a history but I do see them consistently doing well and I have no doubt that we probably will probably see some correction with some of the sets because like some of them have shot up way too much but it's going to depend on how

(1:42:36) much magic prints for the other sets of magic I don't know enough to give good opinions about them but as with Pokemon as far as I'm aware almost every single sealed magic product has also appreciated over time some just not as much as others what were you going to say Daniel i just made a stupid joke that you know they appreciate if you don't rip them usually yeah I still I I still have some [ __ ] seal product it's just sometimes when I get some [ __ ] in it's just like ah I'm going to [ __ ] rip it i'm the same way the Team Rocket set got me i

(1:43:17) was like "This is so sick i just can't hold them all." Well see like uh my dad he got a [ __ ] ton of uh Blooming Waters and then the Costco mini he just kept looping our local Costco and he was wanting to like hold a bunch for like investment but every time I go over there I just be like a devil on his shoulder like "Let's rip it let's rip it we're looking for the Charizard let's rip it let's We [ __ ] open up so many of his packs.

(1:43:45) " So many i want I I think we'll rip like 12 of his [ __ ] Blooming Waters boxes didn't you say uh it takes like a whole day to sell out near you oh yeah like our one our last Blooming Waters restock i'm pretty sure it was in stock for like three or four days wow holy [ __ ] prismatic uh Prismatic hasn't stayed in stock that long but um I think we had a a restock today and it was in stock for like four or five hours holy [ __ ] I'd buy all of them i'd get arrested yeah Bachelon does that uh give you a long-winded answer to what you're asking about Pokemon and Lego yeah for sure

(1:44:32) i go deep on [ __ ] dude but yeah no like they're both solid if you buy them correctly like poke Pokemon you can and it's typically expected that you're going to get a lot of product at MSRP right that's kind of expected whereas with Lego it's typically expected you're going to attempt to get clearance because that's just how the cycle works but like what I mentioned in uh the Pokemon call that we had is after the bull market is over because right now if you were to attempt to open up a distribution account with most

(1:45:10) distributors you're probably not going to get any allocation for Pokemon whatsoever you don't have any history with them even people that have existing accounts like uh Gafar he's in here i'm pretty sure he mentioned like his store uh because they have a store they got basically no allocation for a lot of sets right and they have an existing account and they probably had one for quite a while um but once the bull market is over it'll be a lot easier to get an account and I think it'd be an interesting idea and potential experiment to get an account

(1:45:40) and do essentially group buys for the server where like I buy you know whatever product I offer it to everybody at what I pay for it or slight increase to cover my shipping expenses so we can buy large amounts and then when the next bull market comes because of the amount of spend that we had we will get access like a much higher allocation than the typical person yeah I think like I I was just trying to understand more about Pokemon and I I started looking on social media and Tik Tok especially like a lot of the lives

(1:46:12) they're packed with people just paying uh over MSRP to get their packs open in front of people i didn't even know that was a thing and like these people are spending hundreds of thousands of dollars uh just for some dude to rip it open in front of them it's crazy how many channels there are like I I saw a couple and then suddenly my feed is full of them yeah there there's a lot of them and I think that's like a lot of people that like you see that are uh doing large cash outs like a large a lot of them are selling like they have connects and selling to those

(1:46:45) guys uh some of them are obviously sending overseas and whatnot some are going to be investing but a lot of people are supplying ripen shippers for sure i think ripping ships though have a they'll always be around but once the bull market is over we're going to see a lot of them go away very quickly but going back to Lego thing so I haven't really invested in Lego like that but when you said say buy a retired set and hold it for you know like eight 8 to 12 months or whatever it is what do you have a strategy when picking which sets to buy that are retiring soon

(1:47:32) so we can look at a couple things so like you I've seen I think it was Ken from Brick Dynasty i think it was him that did the experiment i don't remember somebody on Twitter where in one year they bought uh I think it was like 30 or $50,000 blindly buying Lego and then actually like doing a little bit of research for the Lego that they bought they split it half and half and just blindly buying Lego they had like an average return on investment of like 30% and when they actually did some real research they had a a fair bit higher

(1:48:05) return on investment but it was like an additional like 10 10ish% so a lot of sets like number one is LEGO exclusives so like your brick heads anything that is exclusive to LEGO those tend to do quite well because they are less available because you can't buy them at Walmart Amazon etc so those do well a lot of ones that are involved with other franchises so like Star Wars as an example star Wars historically has been a massive investment uh investment category for LEGO uh and it always does consistently well as long as you don't overpay for it um Harry Potter does

(1:48:46) consistently well and they release multiple sets for both those franchises every single year um and then we have things like some specialty sets so like for example some speed champions some specialty cars that they do those like sets that peique more people's interest um or that are more complex or like that are like the first of its kind so like uh the Eiffel Tower when it was first released that one was doing super well the Deco Tree from uh Legend of Zelda that one's going to be a super solid investment once it retires and we can get it for less than MSRP that one it will be very very solid um the like

(1:49:26) Bugatti Chiron when that one released um available forever uh but now what is that guy at i don't think it retired that long ago lego Bugatti but it was kind of like the Bugatti was like the first of its kind like they had other supercars that they did but not like that Bugatti that Bugatti was like very intricate right now that guy's at 550 on eBay what was MSRP for this guy was it Andrew Tate fans uh it's a blue Bugatti i think this was before Andrew Tate's time but that like play that likely played into it uh the MSRP on that guy looks like it

(1:50:07) was about 320 uh when did this guy retire let's take a look and I think on I think on Amazon sells for substantially higher uh recount I want to say this one was 2024 I think while you look that up I've been doing a bit of Lego holding and flipping i usually buy either Black Friday or Cyber Monday or one of those sales and then hold through for the next 6 to 12 months like one of the ones I've done well on is the Real Madrid stadium shirt yeah it is a big box cost about $450 $500 but now they're reselling for close to $800 where do you guys offload them

(1:50:54) stockx Amazon back itself cuz I'm buying from Lego.ca sometimes like there's some stuff which I've actually I've done A2A flips with like Lego Marvel just bought off Amazon on a nonprime business account and then just holding for 6 to 12 months and then going to flip it back on Amazon amazon and there are also a lot of Lego to your point of like stats there are I forget those different Lego groups which are out there that uh what's it Lego bricks and stuff brickmaster.

(1:51:25) ca see for example that shows like expiry and like there's even a marketplace on there I think where you can buy and sell if I'm not mistaken and yeah yeah I'm not ungated on Lego so um I hear in the states especially it's not possible anymore not for non-Canadians like I don't believe you can uh in Canada you still can it's easy um but um Lego almost always has a much higher premium selling on Amazon Like if we look at the Bugatti as an example like right now in Canada it doesn't sell that many units per month and in the US it's probably going to sell substantially

(1:52:01) more but right now on Amazon Canada it's selling for about 650 where like MS like standard retail price on eBay right now is like 55 540 so yeah Jordan so you primarily offload it on Amazon as well i cannot confirm in order to die okay no I'm just wondering where it will be viable um for both US and and uh Canada yeah it's it's certainly viable for Canada and like eBay has a consistent um a consistent market for Lego for sure uh like uh Inca was mentioning earlier about like tracking uh Lego markets like

(1:52:45) due to economy like we'll definitely see dips in Lego purchasing through bad economies but it's still very consistent so like for example one set I bought a bunch of was the Lego Marvel nano gauntlets okay and that retired in December I believe right let's take a look those outlets are great they're uh doing pretty well on Amazon right now too amazon's been out of stock on them for a little bit i think they're going for like 160 170 and the lowest I picked a bunch up for I think 79 bucks a piece yeah I got them from Amazon but I I

(1:53:33) bought them through Prime so I can't uh flip it back on Amazon again but like on eBay they're not doing that great they're like 9090 to $100 US give or take yeah there's a on that if you go to bricklink.com I think they're I'm not sold personally on BrickLink but my understand they do have a marketplace and there you could probably list there if you want right get rid of some of those yeah brick bricklink is like the largest marketplace for Lego in the world correct but you would have to probably ship manually yourself right so

(1:54:13) you'll have to take that into account or unless it's a local local meetup so let's see what is Let's see if I look what Lego Canadian dollars let's see what it is so chill what was your average cost basis i got it uh retail i think it was like 80 bucks so you paid 80 bucks for all your units across the board okay cool let me double check but it was like around 80 bucks it was It was from Amazon and that's Canadian yeah yeah yeah canadian okay cool so let's see when this guy retired let me just take a quick peek here condition

(1:54:53) so yeah this guy was set to retire end of 2024 and so you paid 80 bucks per uh right even right now on eBay they're selling like there are a fair few sales for like 130 to 150 let me correct you let me correct you it was 89 bucks 89 okay so yeah like uh you have quite a few sales like 130 to 150 so even if you were to offload them today on eBay they would you'd probably still be in a fairly decent amount of profit right right so if we say like on average you're going to sell 140 minus eBay fees and you said your average cost basis is $89 so that's an average profit per unit

(1:55:34) probably like around 30 bucks and that's not that's not a super long hold for eBay or for LEGO either considering that they just retired at the end of 2024 yeah you could also uh put it on Britain cuz Britain right now is cheapest listed for 135 Canadian per so I don't think there are it's weird weird it on Brit there's no fees I think it's just I can't I don't know I've never sold to be honest I believe there are some fees attached but I'm not sure uh how much I've never actually probably similar to eBay I've

(1:56:12) never looked into selling on brickling specifically myself yeah eBay for I think Lego is like 12 and a half% or something like that i'm not sure exactly but yeah somewhere around there ebay for Lego in Canada uh I'm pretty sure it'll be your standard eBay fee so if you don't have a store 13.

(1:56:34) 6 if you have a store just over 13 yeah something like that yeah would you So like with something like that would you hold it or I guess to me I look at Lego is like okay Christmas time yeah that's probably going to go higher than expected if you ask me i mean you can probably look at the storage of the price of two of it right uh specific to Amazon so like with Lego um we'll typically see a few things like when it first retires and all the retailers are out of stock so sometimes even when a set retires sometimes stock will linger around like Amazon has like a [ __ ] ton in their warehouse or Walmart does whatever usually it's Amazon uh so it depends on

(1:57:18) how long after all those retailers sell out and then typically what we'll see for most LEGO sets is once they are completely out of stock we'll see a a fairly significant bump in standard uh standard resale price and that that that bump is typically anywhere from about 10 to 20% almost instantly depending on how long that stock takes to go if we see a set that's in stock a long time and say it was on sale or on clearance at Amazon sometimes it takes a fair bit longer depending on how many units that set sells for it to recover uh but usually

(1:57:53) in Canada we don't see it as as much as they do in the US so we typically see the increases quite a bit quicker than they do in the US and and then once we And then once we come around the holidays then we'll typically see another significant bump and then uh from there we typically see it kind of level off a bit and then just slowly uh slowly increase over time year after year some sets increase more but typically from there you'll typically see an increase on most sets about like five to 10ish% after those first two

(1:58:25) initial bumps yeah makes sense and I think there are some additional factors like I was looking at Star Wars for example the next movie comes out in May 2026 maybe there'll be an increased demand for just Star Wars in general and from a Lego perspective or you look at say like some of the football stuff like Real Madrid if they win a championship all of a sudden people are like oh I want to buy a you know a stadium set for example or things like that could factor in I guess in some cases right oh yeah pop culture plays a big a big role like

(1:58:58) um some a lot of people had no idea that some of the Minecraft the Minecraft sets were going to pop off the way that they did and like to sell the amount of volume that they did um when the Minecraft movie came out right and some of those like went absolutely insane for like the volume that they're selling and if the like Minecraft already has like a large fan base as it is so after like retirement it'll probably take a little bit for them to fully bump up for their initial bump just because of how much they're selling but they'll probably be a solid investment if you can get them

(1:59:33) for a good price and that's do you guys basically any graph set do you guys uh when you sell your Lego to Amazon do you wrap them in bubble wrap or just send them as is because I know some people like to have their box very pristine for any expensive set we bow wrap every single one if we're selling it for like sub 50 bucks we'll typically do it on a case by case basis usually we don't but typically any set that's like going to sell like above 50 bucks we typically will even though it takes you know a

(2:00:09) good amount of time and a good amount of cost for bubble wrap but using if you have 24inch bubble wrap instead of like the like the shitty 12in stuff you get from like Walmart if you get like the 24in stuff from Uline makes life so much easier goes so much quicker yeah cuz I was kind of like back to the question i was trying to offload mine uh I mean on eBay wasn't getting much hits and locally no one's not even on a message so I was kind of curious to see what was the main ways of getting rid of I know we're supposed to have our invoices for

(2:00:47) you know reasons place Amazon asked us but tomorrow if you were to list it on our I guess our internal chat and marketplace if I was someone was to buy it off you I mean in theory I have an invoice I could use which might be non Amazon Prime related to add backup again resources reward So one thing I was wondering how does Amazon know that you bought from them and you're selling it back to them so there's a lot of So flips uh be mentioned in the chat i didn't confirm or deny anything i'm just saying that we use bubble wrap shut up

(2:01:26) but uh the there's a lot of like woo woo that goes around about like the the stuff with Amazon so full disclosure I have I do not recommend this just just in case but I have actually boughten things from Amazon FBA and have sold them back via FBA on Amazon um I don't recommend that you do it because it is blatantly against their terms of service and like the thing is is like they probably won't auto flag your account probably unless you're buying like excessive amounts um the thing where it comes in is if you're

(2:01:59) ever asked for invoices and that's becoming more and more commonplace and you're going to have to provide those invoices for Amazon and they're going to see that they're prime even then like you may not have an issue but if the person is paying attention you're going to have an issue i see but yeah like with listing on eBay like how long have you had them listed for well I took them off i was like I might as well just leave them up for a bit longer and then see if they go up more like right now like I just want to filter by new sets on eBay uh what kind of sell through do we have

(2:02:34) so right now in Canada we have 138 listed we have 78 sold so it's not super bad for a sell through rate like just over 50ish% so if you do list them like if you do leave them listed if you want like around like say 150 you will probably get that and they'll probably sell eventually you might be better off if you're not hard off with the cash though waiting until closer to the holidays yeah I'm not really hard on it so I'm I'm not fine holding a bit yeah it's it's always hard to say for sure like and predict on like how much sets will increase because like you

(2:03:11) can't always predict where the market's going to go but we can make general assumptions that come come December a lot of the existing stock that's on the market will probably start to get sold out the demand will increase and so thus the price will probably increase accordingly yeah I was I was waiting just for December or Q4 and then see if I can get rid of it then yeah like the thing is like you're not going to lose on them because it's already established a secondary market where it is today so like the only way that we're

(2:03:42) going to see a price dip is if we see like say Amazon all of a sudden just find 10,000 in their warehouse um besides that like you're not going to you're not going to see any dips you're only going to see it appreciate over time yeah I'm not worried on losing money i'm just worried on uh not worried but like I just want to know uh you know for my own reference when and how much they would appreciate and uh you know whether it's worth it for me to start holding them or not yeah for the amount of time right so for like where some sets are selling right now like for Canada specifically it probably wouldn't

(2:04:17) surprise me that come closer to like November December that sets start getting quite a bit closer to 200 cuz like we've already seen some sets sell for like 180 190 on average it's like 140 150 but yeah it won't it won't surprise me if they get to like around 200 closer to the upcoming Christmas season yeah makes sense inca I know you sell a lot of uh a lot of Lego any inputs on any of that do you agree with what I said disagree 100% um mainly what I just do is I try and sell as much as I can local just to keep the profits uh a little bit higher cuz eBay fees sometimes

(2:04:59) do kill your margins and uh at the end of the day it's all about how much money you have left over after the sale and um but yeah pretty much everything you said is spot on um but uh that's all I've seen so far and experience at least and um what are your strategies with local with local just follow what everyone else is doing there's I'm sure wherever you're located there must be huge Lego resellers on marketplace follow exactly what they're doing create your listings like them follow their templates and I'm

(2:05:33) sure you'll start to see sales and the most important part is your reviews cuz uh you know like Lego sets can also be tampered with all the time like you pull a bag out reseal it and whatnot so you have to keep make sure your reviews are up and um that's what I've noticed if those are all good you should be getting sales um not to mention you also have to make sure the set the sets you're selling are also very like in demand um so there's a one second I'm just going to pull it up real quick it's called the There's a newsletter by

(2:06:04) Jerry Lou i'm sure Jordan knows who that is and he goes really deep on Lego and he has a hit list um of just top selling sets and um that I've used that quite a bit and honestly it's been working pretty well and I first joined it in like I think October of last year and I just followed along on the hit list picking up all the sets um another advantage I'll give you is uh if you go on Canadian Tire and you can search up the sets if they have it and likely it'll say it's uh discontinued go on stock track put in a radius of like 3 400 km and you'll be able to find stores that have it and you might be able to

(2:06:40) get it um shipped to you that's pretty good advice yeah I was thinking about his uh newsletter Jerry Lou uh whatever his name was yeah it's like 20 bucks for the uh month and honestly you just need it one time just to get the hit list and yeah he does update it once in a while um but honestly it's pretty simple how he calculates it he uses a formula in one of the forms he broke it down um it's basically just how many units are sold in a month divided by something and uh if it's above 14 or um 14 out of 20 I

(2:07:12) believe then it's a good buy and you should go for it um and pretty much all the LEGO exclusive sets like the Brickheads that's almost an always just go for it and they rarely go on sale whatever the MSRP is i think $12.99 is a fair price and I've been going very heavy on the clone commanders personally i think I have around 60 or 70 of them right now that's good to know appreciate that yeah no problem are any of you guys familiar with the dude on uh Twitter Wes or I think his Twitter name is the toy investor yep i've been having some conversations

(2:07:51) with him recently and uh I've been convinced trying to convince him to come into our community and become a part of it so we'll see what happens well that'd be pretty cool he's a uh absolute whale when it comes to Lego i also talked to a dude i had like a I don't know like an hour an hour long conversation with a guy that not not known on social media whatsoever he I think he sells I think he mentioned like close to eight figures a year uh with Lego almost exclusively Lego uh almost exclusively via Walmart and Amazon and he they he has a team of buyers that go

(2:08:35) across the states and buy things clearance from places like uh Walmart Target etc i got connected to him via Wes um so yeah we'll we'll see some some interesting things might might come of it that's crazy eight figures from RA yes all all RA but like that's wild he's not super technical but he does have some technical systems in place he showed me like a spreadsheet that they have that um he has access to Walmart's I I don't know if it's like their actual API but some form of Walmart API and in Walmart in the US they have something

(2:09:11) like 20 million products between Walmart themselves and third party um and like they're trying to develop a software that basically like tells their shoppers on like how worthwhile stores will be to go to based on like what they have in stock uh and potentially how many units because they can't always like in the U in the US they can see stock numbers better than what we can here and they can see like back room but it's not always guaranteed but they're like they're basically getting this information comparing against uh Amazon or Walmart system uh determining profit

(2:09:44) determining how many units that the store potentially has of all these sets combined and then telling their shoppers if it's worthwhile to hit these stores or not very very interesting and it's basically all done in a spreadsheet hey Inca you mentioned stock track earlier is that still working cuz I thought it was uh there's having some issues with it or Canadian Tire yeah it does work um and I just set it to like 3 or 4,000 km cuz I have friends and family in other provinces and if I find a couple sets that are available there

(2:10:18) I'll just go place a pickup order and have them pick it up and then um ship it to me or something cuz the problem with Kay and Tire is it'll only ship within I think like a 280 or 290 km radius is the max and it's like 5 or six bucks to get shipped and then you can also leverage that with Canadian Tire um money cuz a lot of people don't follow along with Lego sets on Canadian Tire so if you bundle it on like the Fridays or Thursdays where they have the deals for getting 250 bucks and you spend and you get 40 bucks back in cash back that's

(2:10:50) another way to help um get your cost down and also increase get a little bit benefit out of it right yeah yeah i have uh Canadian Tire cards but it's been a minute since I've sourced from them but yeah it's good to know do they do they ship from a store outside of your range to your local store no they don't do that sure no it's just direct to your house or whatever address you put in and um yeah that's the only way but the worst part is that you're limited by the distance you can look around and shop around for so have you

(2:11:21) ever been able to have Canadian Tire ship to you from out of province cuz I always found that it was only inter province that they would ship for me only No only on Ontario i've tried Quebec um but no luck with it so I've been trying to look for forwarder so that I can ship to an Ottawa and then they'll ship it'll transfer it over to a local location here closer to Toronto and then I can just go pick it up ask Nolan if he knows anybody sure I will yeah cuz like he's like if he knows somebody he can like contract them to essentially work as like

(2:11:52) dispatch yeah um he finds I've used Stock Track I mean sorry uh retail radar and that also works no issues with it but I just prefer the UI of um stock track i just like the old traditional way of doing it have you been utilizing the notifications that we've been getting from for the Lego discounts from Canadian Tire yeah I have yep best Buy and Canadian Tire both of them yep yep i attempted just like to compare i set up some alerts with Retail Radar uh that are supposed to send via email uh spec specifically for Lego and even

(2:12:36) though that we've had notifications come through the server I've never gotten an email once h the website's a bit buggy still sometime whenever I'm searching just Lego in general and I scroll a little bit too fast it'll just completely reset me and then I lose track but it's a work in progress for sure yeah have you had have you attempted to set up any alerts and have any access any success with it i've set up alerts but yeah you're right i haven't received anything i just set up alerts I think two or three days ago

(2:13:06) um but I'm not sure if anything have has hit the criteria yet either so I'll let you know on that in a couple days if I get anything cool yeah I told Ali about like my my comparisons i was like it doesn't doesn't matter to me if nobody gets it because I mean better for us but probably should fix it yeah because people at the end of the day people are still paying for it right yeah of course uh Bob Max did you end up selling that card that you pulled he pulled like one of like the one out of 10 gold cards from the the Don Russ Optics football sets oh damn

(2:13:50) that's wild do you have it listed he mentioned in the chat he hasn't sold it yet do you have it listed the guy got a season ending injury so no any I don't remember what which one was it that you got and are there any comps on it because I believe from what I recall it was like one out of 10 two sex can't talk tonight it's fine yeah I'm pretty sure when he sent me the picture when he pulls it I'm pretty sure it's like like at least worth like a couple grand I would assume um does anybody have issues with like Amazon reimbursement

(2:14:49) like for what what type of reimbursements um we're currently dealing with like um damage during transit to the customer yeah so like what issues are you having are you having issues getting reimbured period or are you having issues getting reimbured the proper amount um getting member spirit because it's like a non returnable item and um they're holding like very hard and I'm like I'm giving them well GP is giving them Amazon policy like hey it was damaged on Amazon end not mine and um the brother tell me like hey good luck with that uh we're not reimbursing you basically

(2:15:33) yeah a lot of time that can happen you just like with most things and it's shitty advice but you just have to just keep fighting with them uh if you do like with CHP if you do reference like their actual policy in seller central that indicates when they take custody when they're responsible that usually helps but yeah sometimes you just have to keep going [ __ ] back and forth yeah like he finds flip says you mentioned like open a new case that can definitely help like so that they don't see like the history that you've been denied uh sometimes it does sometimes it

(2:16:02) doesn't yeah but to me that doesn't make any sense like it's damage on your head i have nothing to do yep no I get it man i want to say like I have to look into sell central like was it damaged on the way to Amazon or when like they were transferring it like do you know no it was damaged onto on the way on the from Amazon to the customer according to the customer reason for a refund yeah so in that case it it's supposed to fall within their policy it's supposed to be 100% refunded um I was I was just going to say like there I have to find the the

(2:16:44) exact policy but I want to say like Amazon doesn't consider to take custody of your products like when you ship it to them until they actually receive it and in those cases like they're they quite often try to put responsibility on UPS and dis uh consider it distributor damaged which like there's even conflicting information on Star Central about distributor damaged products because like in one sense it mentions that like they don't provide coverage but in another sense it mentions that they do but I've had very good luck when

(2:17:12) you fight with them to get reimbured for those as well yeah I'm trying i'm trying because it was like it's more of like my high highend um prices i'm like it's all distributed um damage during transit damage during transit and the guy was like because I was like on the same chat and he was like trying to get me off so like he closed it and at the same time if if you reply back within the chat um they tried to connect you with someone else so I got connected with him again and I was just feeding feeding response like to chat chat GTP answers like hey it's on Amazon this is

(2:18:05) their policy people are like hm you're persistent but I ain't going to help you yeah like that's why like if you have somebody that's just being a dick uh an agent that doesn't help you there's no sense of attempting to open up another case right away because you'll probably get them again and you're probably not going to get anywhere with them you have to try to wait a little bit try to open up a different case a few hours later to hopefully get somebody else yeah um is it recommended to wait the the 60 days before or just um you can

(2:18:43) just try to open a case regardless it all depends on the type of reimbursements like so if you have any discrepancies in your shipments it's always like you're almost always going to get told that you have to wait 60 days uh damaged products usually you can open up uh cases right away and you usually won't have issues with sell central telling you that you have to wait sometimes they'll they'll say that we still need time to like assess it because like the technically they still have 60 days to reimburse you but quite

(2:19:15) often you can get reimbursed quicker yeah but today was crazy though like I was like I didn't expect someone to um respond respond to me like that especially like you know I'm going to um have a review after this right there they're there people man there there there's flawed people in every place that that we're in yeah google got one star twice i know the shitty thing is like that probably doesn't really do anything the the main metric that they're tracking is how many cases they get through right no well in Jamaica um the BPOS which is similar to like Amazon call centers um I

(2:20:07) know person and um um the their star rating actually um have a lot to do with how they're paid every quarter or Fortnite i know I know in most call centers that's the case but I just highly doubt it with Amazon like I highly doubt with Amazon specifically it It just seems like their only metric that matters is how many cases they get through it pro it probably does i just have the doubts just for how shitty support is i think I'm going to give them like 30 days to 30 days though before I reopen any case with them cuz it's crazy and like um when I when I

(2:20:54) find it hard is like um they will misplace your item and then reimburse you like your sourcing cost is like $10 and they reimburing you like $3 and like here I buy the item from you guys for $10 here is the order confirmation here's the invoice and they're like "Nope." Yep unfortunately yeah that's the case he finds flips are you back on your mic now can you chat are you still busy don't want to chat today fine it's work what's that working you're working i said is it can you hear me yeah I can hear you now okay perfect perfect yeah yeah I'm good now i'm good now i was

(2:21:59) just going through reimbursements it seems like you're getting back into the swing of things how How are things going yeah things things are going good um was uh sick for a bit and then now I'm just having a pretty tough like cough like here and there but I'm good now back in the groove uh same with spend so I feel like I'll hit that uh spend goal uh for sure this month and we'll try and increase that so that I can hit the the revenue goal as well in the month and so previously you you mentioned that you were having some uh some large workloads at work that is

(2:22:46) that all over yes yeah yeah yeah so basically uh work like um so I was initially like uh remote right and then just kind of out of nowhere they kind of switch things up so like then also while workload was increasing so that kind of took me a turn so I had to like sort all those things out but yeah now it's it's getting there but now it's make it gave a little bit of a fire for me to get this going even faster yeah it's like oh [ __ ] I have to actually go to the office now I got to actually work while I'm at

(2:23:20) work yeah exactly not used to that but the thing is I still get done like you know the same now I got to fake not get like getting done too much right you know yeah yeah or else they'll think I'm some genius or something and then they'll add more work on me so yeah you can't show them that you're doing too much otherwise you're going to be doing two people's work for the same wage exactly exactly that's how it all is yep only good part was with remote source and do other things at the same time even pack yeah it's like oh you're still

(2:23:55) getting all the things done that we need you to get done it's like yeah I can do that in a [ __ ] hour a day you're paying me for eight exactly that's exactly what I would do i would just get it done in an hour and just do the rest yeah that's hilarious yeah but now Go ahead no no go ahead i said now now it's like they're like slowly uh increasing it and cuz they wanted to gradually do it because uh they know that others might have set up their lives differently during like you know like the COVID times and stuff so they're kind of gradually uh increasing

(2:24:32) it so I'm taking my time i'm take I'm taking this time right now to increase as much as I can uh on the Amazon side you're you're a software engineer correct yeah I'm a software engineer work I work more on the data engineering side i I work in like AI and ML okay yeah so it's surprising you guys don't utilize things like cursor or wind surf at your work right now they they don't specifically use cursor or wind surf but they do use like GitHub copilot and stuff like that a lot of places that they don't really especially like larger enterprises they they don't

(2:25:17) really add those uh newer tools fair but like just like they [ __ ] should i was talking to I know they should the other the other night we're I was talking to Jeff like uh JD he's he's a software engineer for like a a stock trading company and yeah like they're they're heavy in AI um like they're they do uh high frequency trading and yeah like that's all that's all they use is wind surf at his work oh they use windsurf okay yeah i think now that Open AI bought it I think it it would be something that would be introduced but

(2:25:53) Yeah yeah currently no cuz I I tried to use it too but then they'll block they'll block it i don't know why so so dumb it just could help you increase your efficiency by a lot yeah like I've used cursor um a little bit but didn't have time to go into like a deep dive now I think I'll have a little bit more time to do that but yeah dude change your life change your life how was it on your end so good i don't know how to do anything for [ __ ] coding it changed my life i'm able to fix problems on [ __ ] that I have no idea how to do

(2:26:35) so a lot of those uh business ideas can can start to formulate and become real oh no i just don't have the time for that [ __ ] but like for example like did I tell you about the like the Chrome extension that we that we had i think I asked about it in here before i may have asked you about it we have a custom Chrome extension that connects to like a database to track like the leads that we produce for our leads list oh yeah i saw that i saw that yeah yeah and so like that's something that I paid somebody to make uh I don't know probably like two three years ago and it's it's worked

(2:27:08) consistently but for like probably the past year we had an issue where like a lot of my team like everybody has their own account that they log into and then like the little blue thing pops up if an as detected that we've used before and then you can click on that and it shows you what list we used it what day where we sourced it from how much it was etc just makes it easier to connect when we were using when we have previously used leads um but like all of our almost all of our team would get randomly logged out almost every single day and they couldn't log in for like Oh yeah you

(2:27:37) told me about that yeah I remember that like 10 minutes 20 minutes at a time super [ __ ] annoying uh killer for productivity um and I was like I have no [ __ ] idea how to do this i didn't make this [ __ ] and I was like connected to Hostinger and a database and I was like I don't know any of this [ __ ] um so yeah when first started using cursor uh I started like feeding the [ __ ] into cursor like these are the issues that I'm having uh it took me a couple hours but completely walked me through on how to like add [ __ ] into the database add all these logs change [ __ ] now it works absolutely

(2:28:10) [ __ ] fine no issues i have no idea i have no idea what I did that's crazy yeah nuts that's insane it's nuts didn't um like uh Ali um go heavy with it with RR yeah um as well as from my understanding is like he had almost like no technical coding background and he's basically built that entire software in Windsurf I believe exclusively i think he's had some help a little bit for like some scraping processes but he's almost done it all himself and he has almost like no technical coding background whatsoever yeah nuts world is changing insane took

(2:28:56) it took him a while like I think he was uh building it and put in beta for like two three months but I mean he was able to do it like more or less himself yeah yeah that's insane yeah super super insane and like I've even talked to so many people I've talked to recently that have like been building stuff that have no idea like don't have any coding background uh Fred he's been building out like an entire like dashboard software to connect with their like uh pack and prep process that like integrates with 2D workflow he doesn't have a coding background he's been utilizing AI uh Med or Ethan he's

(2:29:33) mentioned that he's like kind of building out like their own dashboard for himself he has a bit of technical background he went to school for it but nothing crazy um Abdul earlier today like you seen like what he's been posting on Amazon he's a CPA so he doesn't really have a technical background and start building [ __ ] like that like it's it's nuts yeah this is nuts that's actually one of the things that I wanted to do cuz like I I enjoy building things a lot especially like in work and stuff too i like that's the main reason why I

(2:30:07) enjoyed it but things have been slowing down as well on on that side but it's more like you know politics side and all these other extra like business stuff side and it's not really on the coding and technical side so that's that's one of my goals as well too like I want to have more free time to be able to build things that are uh you know on the side as well cuz especially with all this like AI and all the other stuff like cursor or any other tools I definitely could build something pretty pretty fun and good and helpful

(2:30:41) as well so I might start trying to to target you now i I I said before I've been trying to target Jeff for like over a year to quit his job to come like build [ __ ] with me because like there's so much opportunity and like so if you have like a good technical background maybe I'm going to start trying to focus on you now because you actually want to quit quit your [ __ ] jobs go build some Yeah yeah that's that was the point that was the point like I I wanted to do that with uh Amazon just enough to like you know quit and just like at least uh have it going

(2:31:13) and at least I'm able to maintain it um with a with a reasonable amount of hours and then be able to then divert my time into focusing on things like that don't don't take this the wrong way but you used to live at home right [ __ ] man quit [Laughter] you know what we can do like what work like 18 hours a day for like the next six months [ __ ] change the world uh that's another thing onuh as well like you know it's I feel like it's a bit that's that's another thing on on the top of my head about about that like just just quitting I think it's a lot harder um on my like on my mind like I

(2:32:00) think it's more of a mindset thing but I definitely could like theoretically I could [ __ ] it what kind of month what kind of monthly expenses do you have I definitely could I don't have to I'm I'm going to convince the [ __ ] out of you how many What kind of monthly expenses do you have no no no no no well we'll we'll settle down a bit you You only have like probably like a couple hundred bucks a month right yeah I know i don't have I don't I definitely could that's all that's all I'm saying like I definitely could quit but [ __ ] let's do

(2:32:32) it but hey like you know I'd rather rather build i'm I'm very rather I guess maybe it's because I started on the uh 9 to5 like end of things so I'm I'm very much having to have something in place before I do that so I think that's what's like mindset wise stopping me okay so should I discuss this yeah whatever so when like Jeff specifically was helping me a lot with our A28 monitors okay so uh I've had a lot of different people help me with a lot of different things and I fully acknowledge them 100% like I I don't know how to do [ __ ] so I have a

(2:33:16) lot of ideas i can do very minimal things but I don't know how to do [ __ ] uh he helped me a lot with our AT monitors and so did Brah uh Jeff did like a lot of a lot of technical stuff for it that I wouldn't be able to figure out um and when we were first putting together like our like crossber stuff specifically uh and he started like seeing like how what kind of results and how like consistent some of the results were like uh I think the only one in this call right now would probably be Jaden and Cole Chillin oh and Bob i

(2:33:46) don't know how much you guys have looked through that like the CA to US and US to CA results for A2A flips it's kind of it's kind of nuts on like like definitely not everything is viable but like their filtered results and like you can get consistent products every single day from that and so like we had a conversation about like once this put together is like he was saying oh like [ __ ] this is good like this is like too good like we shouldn't release this to anybody i was like I can't do that and I was like we we had like considerations of putting behind a payw wall and he's

(2:34:17) like you think people would actually pay for this [ __ ] i was like yeah I know people would pay for it like you can get consistently good profitable leads automated like of course people pay for it and like I started like showing him like oh like it could be like this potential and people would pay this and have like so many people he's like oh [ __ ] we can make a real business out of it I was like I know [ __ ] there's so much potential dude and like you don't even need like a massive project to like quoteunquote be stable

(2:34:46) like you can have like like I I don't want to intrude in your life but Like chances are like your income is like sub or higher than like four five five $6,000 a month right probably somewhere in that range three to $6,000 a month probably yeah mhm it's not that hard to replace with like a decently small project that people can make money with i'm telling you because I've done it time and time again yeah there's your business partner i'm I I'm trying to [ __ ] convince people to come with me and make some [ __ ] money i've been doing this [ __ ] like for years man i can't do this [ __ ] i need somebody else to help

(2:35:29) me i don't even want the [ __ ] money i just want to build this [ __ ] cuz I know how [ __ ] valuable it's going to be well I mean if you put it that way I'm not I'm not going to do it for nothing i'm not stupid well you just said I mean you I'm not I'm not stupid but I don't give a [ __ ] about the money i mean all right 9010 split uh it depends if you need startup capital or not if you just need the ideas then maybe yeah sure well I mean I don't take interest if there's startup capital but yeah if I'm going to be putting my money up

(2:36:06) then I'm going to get something in return for sure all right we got we're going to start up our shark tank in here i [ __ ] I've already I've told a couple people like eventually like I've thought about that starting a [ __ ] VC in this place it's going to be a super shitty for logistics and uh a [ __ ] ton of things to figure out but I think that'd be super [ __ ] cool especially if you build people in here that like that have been in here for so many years that are entrepreneurs that have excess capital right maybe not everybody but you have like a essentially like a board

(2:36:36) of people and you have members that have certain business ideas and [ __ ] so it's like all a sudden somebody can change their life in here like and get essentially VC funding inside of here i think that'd be [ __ ] insane i've had that idea i think that'd be cool as [ __ ] i think that'd be super [ __ ] cool it'd be super shitty to figure out the logistics with everybody cross country but like legally like I don't like I don't think it'd be that hard or like if people are like actually willing to do it and like sign legal contracts i don't think it'd be that hard

(2:37:20) i think that'd be [ __ ] sweet like like I've said like literally somebody comes in here trying to make a couple extra bucks flipping [ __ ] on eBay and then like in like six months it's just like they're they have [ __ ] hundreds of thousands of dollars or whatever investment to start a [ __ ] startup company i think that'd be insane yeah we're on a We're on a bridge yeah and then said "Don't do [ __ ] with Quebec it's too complicated.

(2:37:50) " Yeah for sure but then like surrounded by people that have ideas and are also building cool [ __ ] to like help kind of boost that right like that that's that's a whole another element uh Discord Silicon Valley essentially yeah i think that'd be cool as [ __ ] and like I have that idea like I if I can I would like to make that come to life one day you know you could probably combine that with like a blockchain so you can manage everyone can then see where all the transactions and stuff are going or have something like a Dow setup i thought you I thought you were about to push me an NFD no bro i I got out of that like a

(2:38:30) long I mean I still have the NFT picture but I'm just too lazy to change it to anything else i'm fully out of I'm fully out of NFTTS that stuff is uh it's too volatile yeah like if if like if something like that is worthwhile and it like adds like other additional value or security yeah I think that'd be super cool you know um what's his name ryan Pineta okay you know who he is right i the real estate guy um the guy who Yeah he he set up um he set up a crypto group using his uh money um sorry using an NFT and essentially like what it was is

(2:39:16) uh you would get membership by holding the NFT and then you would you would have like u funding for u real estate he was he was a primary real estate funer dude right so he would actually like give funding for people's real estate wholesale wholesaling And that that's a kind of a similar model where he have he would have his community involved for uh you know investing and putting up money and getting a return on it and was it actually legit or was it a scam i think it was legit like his his NFT went up

(2:39:49) pretty high cuz people wanted to get in the group and it was worth like uh at one point probably like $4,500 US for membership interesting i wasn't in it so I don't know the details but that's as just what I know off the top when I was looking into flipping it interesting but yeah like I I think like there's a lot of different potential like places that we could take this this thing of ours on a random note did do you guys know that thousands as guy or whatever on I don't know i I follow that guy on like I think X or something and then he just started messaging me out of nowhere is

(2:40:37) he trying to pitch you who scores yeah like out of like like immediately like I like I think he has a like a like a a workflow where if you follow him he just messages you probably it's probably like automated bot whatever yeah yeah it's like the same people where they you know they ask you to DM them u a keyword and they'll send you a message or actually not not DM you but like you you comment on their post like a keyword and then they'll send you an automated message for a link to their whatever product they're selling

(2:41:19) that's my way of disqualifying them right away now i reposted one of his things like that Dan specifically on Twitter like I think last week or something because like he was essentially trying to [ __ ] on like OA and like say like um wholesale wholesale is sustainable and OA isn't like you're [ __ ] stupid like that's not the case at all like I primarily sell wholesale today and I even know that's not the [ __ ] case oa are a very sustainable and very scalable like these people are [ __ ] [ __ ] probably the sock sellers yeah

(2:41:59) does he still do OA run i thought he does wholesale and brand deals and all that stuff yeah he's still in O that's not a lot that's not a lot but yeah like again like people try to like his whole spiel is like brand direct wholesale right like tries to like say like "Oh like brand direct wholesale is the way to go for this this and this.

(2:42:32) " It's like if you actually are involved in it and you tried it yeah brand direct wholesale can have benefits and it can it can be very viable but they don't mention that oh like most of the time brand direct wholesale you're going to number one not get access to brand directly unless you're going for smaller niche brands which is fine but number two even for some of those smaller niche brands most of the time your pricing is going to be higher than just uh talking to a [ __ ] traditional distributor and yes occasionally from time to time you can uh negotiate exclusivity or attempt to position yourself for that but that's way [ __ ] harder than people try to

(2:43:03) make it out to be it's not just like oh this per contact this person be like hey I sell on Amazon you guys don't let me be your exclusive seller it's it's a lot harder than that and like if you contact a brand that say has a 100 different SKs you want exclusivity you have to stock all their [ __ ] SKs and never stock out if you want to have a viable relationship too so it's also very capital intensive and chances are a good chunk of that catalog doesn't even [ __ ] sell yeah and people telling people are telling you to f off and hang up your phone

(2:43:40) they're just hing the player run yeah you also have to end up like holding a lot of that inventory and then splitting it um if it doesn't sell as much right because you have to take on a lot at once for a lot of brands yeah like you like in order to get better pricing you have to order much more bulk for sure so you either have to store it or send in excess amounts of inventory to Amazon which increases your risk like definitely makes you more vulnerable versus just typically stocking like 30 to 60 days of stock right i noticed that with like the PL guys and

(2:44:22) the um wholesale guys they always [ __ ] on the OA but I never see the reverse like I never see the OA guys ever [ __ ] on the the opposite but I'll sh I'll [ __ ] on everybody [ __ ] that yeah but in a totally different way i saw Cy Corey was holding a webinar earlier today i think he's trying to push um a brand direct course or something of course he is because he's doing so well with his 20 SKs that he has like [ __ ] me bro i I went across his um his storefront and I was like you're not making any money on Amazon january

(2:45:13) at some point i believe like I don't I don't necessarily believe that he was fluffing up his numbers previously like very like realistically that he was potentially selling like the amount that he was selling like I think he's always said that he was selling like a million or like a million half $2 million a year very very possible what he was previously i don't know about now i haven't checked him for a while but like his exposure was so high because like he was almost exclusively selling Gillette and then get like a few other SKs in

(2:45:38) there and like that's so that's such a high risk right because like yes you can be successful with one brand yes you can make a [ __ ] ton of profit with one brand one distributor but you have such a high risk doing so and like Amazon's so volatile like it you have to be [ __ ] stupid to to do that yourself but number two like to charge somebody else and tell them to do that model as well which I don't know if he was doing but I would assume that he is because that that's what he does like that's so dangerous

(2:46:09) because you can get [ __ ] so easily just only having one brand in your catalog or one distributor that you that you that you access things can change out of your control all the time and like Jordan would you ever get into PL i've thought about it like so even even before I started with uh Amazon before I even knew like you could sell stuff on Amazon uh when I was still working in the insurance business like I I had a thought when I was like and I specifically started like sitting in my little cubicle um looking into potentially like developing like some type of outdoor brand because I was like

(2:46:49) heavy into like knives EDC's outdoor [ __ ] like that like uh mini quotequote prepper stuff uh so I thought about it and like I started exploring like how people like buy sh like Alibaba and whatever and I knew nothing about it so I thought about it i started exploring like what insurance would cost because I was part of the insurance business and I just didn't really go anywhere with it i kind of just like let that section die so I think like I have no real aspiration to do it right now i think it'd be something interesting to try

(2:47:19) like just as more so of experience um so one day I probably will but I also like I'm not just going to just like go to [ __ ] Alibaba buy any generic [ __ ] put your label on it and try and sell it i'm going to e either attempt to do things either locally or get something specifically manufactured which is it's in it is in itself um its own risk because if you try to go overseas even have something brand new manufactured it's going to get replicated so if I attempt to do that it's going to be attempting to do that and be first to market extremely quickly and try to

(2:48:03) advertise it and get hype around it very very quickly i don't know which route I would go yet what about Shopify i have a Shopify store right now i technically do drop shipping right now wow oh yes i remember that you just never mentioned exactly oh that's that's the sexy business i've never told you about that oh yeah oh yeah no I never heard about that i never told you about that no no so you might not have been in one of the calls that we had so uh a couple years ago this was I think this was like peak COVID um I was I was prepping with a friend of mine

(2:48:47) he came and helped and one of my nephews and this is my nephew who's the he's in school for coding today he made a seller watch who I always [ __ ] beak for being a lazy [ __ ] um he was he was working for me and so we're prepping and we're just you know shooting the [ __ ] talking while we're prepping and he he was like talking about like he didn't know what he wanted to do he wasn't in school yet and so I just like start me being obsessed with business start like well like start like oh like open like do like do some type

(2:49:17) of business and whatever he's like "Well I don't know what the [ __ ] I would start." And then I don't remember if it was me or my friend Dylan who originally said like "Uh oh like want you to like like sell sex toys." I think I think I may have mentioned it it might have been Dylan i don't remember but I had recently seen an article that um sex toys were selling at an all-time high like the demand for sex toys like uh mid midco was like stupid high right and this was like a report from like Pink Cherry which was like one of the largest sex toy distributor sellers in

(2:49:47) North America um and we just said it as a joke and my nephew was like he's like "Oh like I wouldn't [ __ ] do that." And he's like "Oh that's kind of like that's like kind of gay and whatever." And uh all of a sudden Dylan Dyl Dylan uh spoke up he's like "Oh [ __ ] i'd do that.

(2:50:09) " And so we just like it started as a joke and then we started talking about it and then I'm like well like I technically already have access to these sex toy distributors that I attempted to see if they're going to be viable on Amazon so like why don't I talk to them and we'll just we'll just see where we can go from there i never sold the products but I was like I had access to these accounts and he's like he's like "Yeah.

(2:50:29) " So then I started talking to I contacted a couple of them we looked through some cataloges and I just so happened to talk to one I don't I think I I either called them or he's seen something jaden you want to mute your mic or I'm I'mma boot you your mic keeps cutting in sorry my bad thank you um I think I just like I either called the distributor or they contacted me and we started having a conversation and they mentioned that they have a Shopify integration where we can just connect your catalog to a or their catalog to a Shopify store in full automatically um their their whole thing like they like just recently set it up and so we can essentially do drop shipping that way where we have their entire catalog

(2:51:12) um when orders are fulfilled it automatically goes to their system they fulfill it they charge our credit card on file and then they ship it out for us and they ship it anywhere in North America and they charge us a flat rate fee for like so many items and then a bit of a higher fee for like three plus items whatever that's Canada and US I think that's [ __ ] sweet because like originally we had bought some products uh like actual inventory from Pink Cherry not a lot i think we both put like a thousand bucks just to see and we're going to do it so we were only

(2:51:42) going to have a Shopify store and deliver locally so people could order from us and then we'll come drop it off your house in a white bag on your doorstep and so like that was our original idea and we did that um tried doing ads meta completely blocked us because apparently you can't have dildos and ads who would who would have thought and uh so we never went any further with ads we were like having ideas about like different creative that you can do that are like not so perverse but you can still run ads for uh but he ended up getting a job up north so we didn't really do a whole lot with that

(2:52:19) fulfilled some orders but then we got this this uh drop shipping thing and that made things a whole lot easier but ever since then um he's been super busy because he started working in mines up north i haven't dedicated time to it so we have we've run zero ads it's still it's the site's still live still exists we sell probably like on average like around a thousandish dollars per month um some months they go a little bit higher and a lot of it just from people randomly finding us and repeat customers and I don't really have to do anything

(2:52:51) so eventually I think I would like to just see where we can take it if we run some ads i just haven't had the time to do so it's an interesting story we're joking and then uh you actually went into detail yeah I'm I'm not [ __ ] joking like I'm dead serious talking about sex toys yeah I slang I slang dildos i know it's very har you should create you should create a course for it yeah [ __ ] off that's wild yeah no like no like I when I say I like business I like business i like I like building things like and like I try different things i've tried with one of

(2:53:36) my nephews a little while ago [ __ ] making handmade soap just because like we were talking about like these different soaps that exist a different nephew all my [ __ ] family has worked for me he he works with me now he's my gopher uh we're just prepping talking about random [ __ ] talking about like how like all these soaps on the market they [ __ ] suck and like well just you know again business brain well why don't we just try making something with it so like we literally like I took the time I bought the [ __ ] we made some [ __ ] handmade soap but again a lot of my

(2:54:07) family is very lazy and I can't invest time into it so we made the soap it's actually a solid product beef tallow soap but we just haven't went anywhere with it that's interesting i actually know of a family member of mine in uh in Pakistan he has a factory and he builds and he not builds he manufactures a lot of beauty products including soap and he was telling me he's like you know there's that Aleppo soap i don't know if you heard of that like the olive oil based one okay that's like a premium product is usually very expensive and

(2:54:41) they make that there too so he's like "Yeah if you if you want to do something with it let me know." I like the So like I've tried different soaps and like I'm somebody like I don't react really good to a lot of different things like a lot of [ __ ] will irritate me so like even like Old Spice deodorant like I'll get like a big ass red mark underneath my armpit i did that in those things are cancerous man yeah you don't want those I know but like I was in Cuba once and I like wearing this deodorant and all a sudden like I have these big [ __ ] like bread marks on my armpits look stupid and uh I I react to a lot of

(2:55:13) different things um I've tried Capri soap and even with Capri soap like it I feel like it dries me out uh but we made that soap and I've tried like Dr squatch and like Dr squatch like I thought this was like good soap turns out it's kind of [ __ ] it's kind of shitty like they use You mean the bath water one i didn't use the bath water one but it turns out like their soap is kind of shitty like they just use like a lot of cheap ingredients if you actually look at it right like just shitty shitty oils and

(2:55:39) like that soap like bar soap it doesn't react with me like as much as like body wash but like I feel like I still like was like dry and ashy like I felt like I like like an African-American dude that gets ashy uh but uh when we made the beef tallow soap uh not at all like didn't have to like moisturize skin nothing and it's like super like super nice even like other soaps that were like olive oil based mixed mixed opinions with um how those worked with me beef tall soap yeah beautiful made me feel You've never you never tried Aleppo before it's like a you know thousands of years old soap

(2:56:18) built from I think it started in Aleppo Syria but it's uh it's pretty popular at least in that side of the world i don't believe I've tried that i don't think I even heard of that it's yeah it's made from olive oil and there's like a really old process that they use to make it like the the traditional way and it's been picking up some steam at least over over there it's it's always been popular over in that region but it's been I' I've been noticing uh you know some more local brands here start selling it but yeah like to like make handmade soap

(2:56:57) it's not hard at all we did it and like we tried like a couple different like scents and stuff and like very very basic we used beef tallow uh shea butter we used olive oil and soap as like one of the bases we tried like a couple different recipes um there's a guy who does uh you know methylene blue i'm familiar with it yeah yeah he puts that in the soap and cream he's a He's like a former MMA fighter i think he still is an MMA fighter but he has his product Moroi i don't You heard of it moroi brand i haven't now

(2:57:37) yeah he does um apparently it does really it works really well i mean it doesn't turn your skin blue but like it works really well yeah that like that like anybody that wants to like try like a handmade product like that shit's actually pretty easy to make like we made it in an afternoon and you just experiment with different [ __ ] but yeah like I think like even like utilizing [ __ ] like that and like doing like something like Amazon uh Amazon handmade the handmade program i think that has massive I was going to say though yeah that has massive potential never even

(2:58:05) heard of that what is that it's Amazon's handmade program where like people can sell handmade products for Amazon like Etsy yeah essentially yeah not a sketch but yeah um but yeah like so even like so like my mom as an example my mom she has never really like held down like a a job throughout entire adult life but she's always like made like the quoteunquote side hustle money and I've encouraged her for like a long time to like do baking because that's like she likes baking so encouraged her for like

(2:58:37) ever to do baking sell it whatever and then I don't know probably like a decade ago I encouraged her like I helped her set up a website got a domain name she's on Google and encouraged her like try it a little bit harder and like just like start listing she on Facebook as like baking for like side income and yeah she still does that today so she sells baking consistently and the one day um couple months ago at this point it could have been like a year ago I don't even remember but I was looking I came across a Amazon handmade listing on Amazon.com

(2:59:09) uh where somebody sells homemade banana bread like mini loaves of banana bread and like they're they're FBMing it so they're shipping it to you directly and like they were selling like hundreds of units a month and I think you got like three or six loaves of banana bread and it was like something like [ __ ] insane like $30 US i'm like "Mom what the hell?" Yeah and I'm like "Mom like why don't we [ __ ] try this?" And she's just like "Uh this might be it hold on is this it?" So uh six-ack of mini Lowe's like tiny Lowe's i'll put it in the chat here this one's selling 50 i

(2:59:43) think I seen a different one but they're selling 50 units per month for $40 US that's nuts i was like you know what like it's wild i seen other listings that were selling hundreds like that's nuts right does she get the professional fee waved for like handcraft you do yes if you have if you're part of the HMA program you don't pay a professional selling fee damn so that's that's a hack that you can do like you can you can sign up for the Hammade program you can list make a listing of something like an outrageous price like like a Tumblr and just like

(3:00:20) [ __ ] $500 and then you can get that seller paid waved every single month i haven't tested it but you can do it i like a guy who used to be in our community specifically told me about it and I forever been meaning to make a [ __ ] thing in the utility server about it i just always slips my mind but yeah you can do that you can 100% do that and you do not have to pay that seller fee every month i would ideally have actually like one in stock if you actually have it just in case somebody just by chance buys it but

(3:00:52) yeah you can you 100% do that uh but Bob Max you ask what's my end game is it Amazon for the foreseeable future so like I think I don't see in any near future that I'll stop sell on Amazon i have like a small side aspiration that I eventually want to work to be a top 10 seller in Canada i think that's just a cool goal to have it's just like a mini accomplishment for myself no for nobody else but for me so that's something like I set that goal so that that's something that we can work towards um as for like long-term aspirations I am

(3:01:34) just wanting to enjoy what I'm doing and just keep building [ __ ] and keep working because like I enjoy business i enjoy building i enjoy doing [ __ ] so like when some people ask me like why or how I work so many hours so like every day is because I enjoy what I'm doing i'm excited about it like I don't get burned out a whole lot because I'm actually enjoying what I'm doing and I just kind of want to do that and just see where we take it i like having these conversations with people and trying to convince he finds flips to quit his job

(3:02:05) so we can build something [ __ ] amazing cuz keep on building machine something like that's going to happen one day and like somebody's going to be like "Yeah let's do something." It's going to change somebody's life guar [ __ ] te it's just going to be cool to be a part of have you built a SAS before myself sas product not something that's been taken to market um so not technically but like in-house things yes okay yes yeah yeah I I just really I enjoy business but that's why like for like this whole server project this thing of ours that's why like we keep introducing more and

(3:02:59) more things that cost substantial amounts of money and I don't really turn a profit for the server and as we get more and more members I invest more and more we build more things and it keeps going um because I don't I don't care about turning money i want to build something [ __ ] cool i was looking how much I spent on this server a month and [ __ ] godamn it's more than I used to make at my job how much these expenses cost in this freaking server would you ever um like do a like um take over a market for a certain

(3:03:38) product let's say it's on eBay or something like that where a group of us would just like buy it all up oh [ __ ] yeah and then oh [ __ ] yeah did you not see me talking about that with the American top sets that were released no I did not see you i was trying to I was trying to convince somebody to buy up the market with me i was like I need somebody like match like 50 to 100 grand let's [ __ ] buy everything there was so much [ __ ] potential because it was so limited it was 2500 pieces and I seen

(3:04:05) where the potential was right right now the market has come back down a little bit still profitable but if you're able to control that market people are paying a,000 bucks a box retail price was 200 you can buy them on eBay right after release for like 300 400 [ __ ] yeah market manipulation is beautiful oh yeah what's that oh go ahead man go ahead go ahead go ahead no I was just going to ask are they still doing well the boxes the Let's take a look uh I haven't looked for a while meri tops box so right now we have 236 sold what do we

(3:04:50) have listed so we have 190 listed so we still have more than a 100% sell through rate uh right now market is sitting at about $400 oh so it dipped considerably yeah but as usually with Morami stuff but if we took over the market it would go right back up they were selling they were selling consistently for brokami reminds me of when he did his first NFT project and this and basically the only way you could get it is either your friends and family or you just sign up with your email right like a Gmail and this kid

(3:05:22) like this 16-year-old kid he created a script to just you know um create a Gmail account and then sign up for it and I think he did like over 150,000 entries and he ended up winning he ended up winning I think like I don't know like 40 or 50 of them there's only 10k and and they're going for like 10 ETH which is like around I would say like at the time it was like uh 35k USD not bad so yeah dude he showed his wallet and he's like essentially became a millionaire yeah if you can identify opportunity like you can literally like it's not about getting lucky it's about identifying potential opportunity if you

(3:06:11) do that like you can very much so change your life very quickly that reminded me of like the those like Instagram accounts that were giving away like Taylor Swift tickets if you like sign up or something like that um and like you could just loop those as well did I tell you did I Did I tell you like I didn't I didn't mention it when it was happening because I told my friend who told me about it that I wouldn't but did did I tell you about the the tickets that they were giving away every week for Taylor Swift i think it was like no like around like November last year uh for Rogers

(3:06:46) did I Did I mention that to you i think you said something i know i I think you said something i know I mentioned it like afterwards because like it was the Rogers I I don't know if it was Rogers Nobility or like the Rogers account itself but they were giving away um I think a a couple sets of tickets every single week and they did that I think for like two months straight to a Taylor Swift concert and if you and like what you had to do is like you had to comment on their post whatever and if you looked at every

(3:07:18) single post like it had an okay amount of entries but nothing insane like the most was like the I think the very most uh posted I seen was like 10,000 right and I was like "Fuck me." Like like for like some of these tickets I sell for like 10 grand i was like "Yeah I was like I was getting ready to try to find somebody to make a software to generate Facebook accounts and autofucking respond to this [ __ ] like connected to AI and make like a response to all these [ __ ] posts cuz like if you know like if you even get like a portion of these like every single week of how much

(3:07:48) [ __ ] money you can make those don't they like check to verify your name and Facebook ID against ID or something or like I'm assuming so it's possible but I mean for enough money you can make anything work speaking of tickets and money and events as I was telling you Jordan yesterday about Miami and F1 I finally did my calculation i made about I lost about $1,200 just on pure exchange rate cuz I didn't have a US dollar current so I had to use my Canadian but I made $9,300 Canadian profit if I don't want to take that hit on just that one event nice and how long

(3:08:33) did it take you how long did it take you to move through them from one purchase to sell well I mean I I in some cases in I kind of drop shipped some of those tickets cuz I knew I had a corporate person who could get me the tickets at a certain face value so I ghost listed some of them so in theory I got my payouts listed in StubHub and I paid my credit cards now so in theory I had zero upfront cash investment to make per se um nice and I guess the only element to it was knowing what tickets to sell specifically they're like general admission tickets and then um you know I listed them over

(3:09:16) a period of 2 weeks some soul just immediately and then some sold like the data for the event for example yeah beauty and see like that's like that's the thing like if you have like you mentioned like you had prior knowledge about F1 like you were familiar with it so you were able to capitalize on that opportunity and I went and attended the event for free for two or three days right but like when you have like this knowledge that like the standard population may not specifically have you can identify very profitable opportunities everywhere oh yeah like last year I made $2,000 profit this time

(3:09:51) I made close to an $8,000 next year I'm like okay if I invest and I mean profit is one thing so my ROI is around 21 22% is basically what I did and for the time effort yeah did I spend some time manually listing and selling cuz I had to sell on StubHub as well yeah but if I do the amount of like dollar per hour I'm making $2 $300 an hour right i put in maybe 10 15 hours of work for this yeah yeah so that's a pretty good time investment yep not including all the travel points you get right 100% yeah like it's it's like it's always surprising because there's so many people that I talk to in my personal

(3:10:37) life whether it's friends family people I come across whatever it's just like so many people almost everybody like outside of like entrepreneurs do not understand what kind of opportunity that there is that exists in the world today like so many like almost nobody and it's [ __ ] insane some like I go to alumni events with my university and these kids are like "Oh it's really hard finding a job.

(3:11:10) " I'm like "Honestly bro trust me there's this whole world join a Discord server trust me you'll have the guys and everything you could be making more money than any of these co-op students who make $20 an hour." Not Not even that just like anything like whether you just want to flip [ __ ] or [ __ ] make something or do side like like be part of the gig economy whatever the [ __ ] it is like um with our with our website that I that I recently put up for Arcane uh it was made through Framer okay I don't know [ __ ] about Framer i don't have the time to do things i literally go on Fiverr find somebody that is

(3:11:43) proficient with uh Framer have her do everything she made a good amount of money for me and I don't like because she's proficient with it she probably didn't have probably like it took her an okay amount of time but probably nothing crazy okay and so like there were some things that like I had to like get updated whatever and there are a few little things like that I integrated myself like certain text but I paid her a good amount of money so like that's something like I'm quite certain she does like that's her full-time job is like doing side gigs for framer framer

(3:12:15) websites like there's so much opportunity that you can have doing all kinds of things and all over the world and like not to mention with AI like that just how much you can make and produce and the different things you can create with AI with having almost no technical knowhow is nuts there's so much opportunity speaking about that website did did someone message you about the price error i think at the beginning there was a price error but then the next day it was fixed what do you mean on the membership for that i think it was you said it at like like it was low i

(3:12:50) remember I remember and then I was about I was about to message you about that but when you redirect it since it goes to like [ __ ] it's still the regular like the the actual price but like I think um I don't know who entered it or whatever but it was like $15.

(3:13:11) 99 or so i don't know like something like insanely low on the website but then when you would click on it it would go back to that like 79 or whatever interesting i I don't remember I don't remember seeing that but the next the next day the next the next day it was fixed i was I was going to me message you about it but then the next day it was fixed there's still a few things on there that I want to update and like the uh one thing that Cole Chill mentioned to me was like the the images that we have uh talking about the different categories he's right like they don't have like good contrast and color and they look kind of like hidden and I want to get those changed and there's a few

(3:13:41) other like minor things here and there but like it's it's an established website i think it's pretty okay i want to change the things on the blog but um yeah I think I think it's pretty pretty okay oh there there's um a website it's called magicpatterns.com for AI and essentially what you can do is I haven't used it myself i just need a demo uh but maybe something you can look into what essentially what you do is it's for your UI design and your website i believe I think website too but mainly UI and what you can do is you can copy

(3:14:15) uh paste some competitor um images of their UI and their design and then it'll spit something out for you uh based on that so like you'll give it a prompt and it'll do something similar yeah 100% i know like there's a couple different AIS uh that do that um with like this website if I wanted to do something like that as an example I'd have to find one that's does that for Framer because like Framer is like a no code website uh for those ones I imagine they're probably like like standard like regular coded websites

(3:14:55) speaking of gig economy in general what are your thoughts on vending machines as a business idea like I like the idea of somebody I I like I like the idea of somebody does it right i think there is lots of opportunity with vending machines but I think a lot of people that get into the business just like with any business they are half [ __ ] and they don't do things correctly and they they take out loans they buy machines that are way expensive brand new not needed they don't do research on locations to put them in so a lot of people fail uh I believe if you do it

(3:15:28) right and like maybe buy some used machines maybe not put so much up front heavily research places that have high potential maybe make connections with the property owners and either maybe attempt to do a small profit split or pay them a small fee so you can get better better traffic sites i think it has a lot of good potential because it doesn't involve a lot of work right there's I mean there's a platform now called wending.

(3:15:58) com might know the guy who was running it he was my ex-founder at a at a company I worked for and basically they have a platform where they really post a marketplace for finding vending locations as a seller and a buyer and I mean they list out like all the metrics I mean obviously you have to your own due diligence and your own contracting but I was like here you buy a machine for $2 $3,000 or even ATMs for that matter right I mean provided you have the right maintenance you could easily like a coke can which you buy for 50 cents can sell for34 $4 right i probably like the like if you're

(3:16:30) just doing like standard like snacks and drinks as an example you're not doing like fancy like ramen or pizza machines I would honestly just try to find like a [ __ ] used machine that works that's old on Facebook for like sub a thousand bucks if not less and use that like assuming that it works and assuming that it can take cards or you can convert it to take cards it's all that you need like you don't need some fancy [ __ ] um and then I I wouldn't I wouldn't even invest in places that like quoteunquote sell you potential locations you can find it yourself yes you have to do some front end frontend work i don't think

(3:17:02) it's that hard you have to you do have to put your boots boots on the ground and go talk to a few people it's not that hard something that is more interesting is also finding if you have any factories or specialty businesses around you that use certain supplies or like a lot of disposables as an example i think that has potential too like if they like say you have a place that where be a good example we we want to find places that they use a lot of different types of materials and the the business right now say maybe they don't have a great contract with a place that they buy it from so you'd have to do a

(3:17:46) lot of research into this but I've I've looked into this a little bit and what you can do is you can set up a machine so that it basically reads like an employee card uh somebody can go to the machine get whatever supplies that they need they scan their card and automatically bills the company so that this company no longer has to order any of these supplies right they order it from you i think businesses like that also have a lot of potential too and like the reason there's this new uh Yeah go ahead i was just going to say like the reason why that would have potential for some businesses is because

(3:18:17) you take out the element of them having to do inventory or keep track of [ __ ] right especially if you're able to offer like competitive pricing if you can order like larger quantities or find a better supplier um you make it very convenient for them and they probably have also less less waste because uh employees are linking it to their name and they're only getting what they need right what were you going to mention Chilling yeah I was going to say there's a new type of vending machine where it's actually colog oh yeah so like you you

(3:18:51) put in a cologne and you like Yeah you spray yeah yeah oh you've seen it oh yeah where where do you get that by the way one of my friends in Miami recently is just launching launched that and he's trying to sell a whole master class and a whole packet not just the machine itself but saying I'll teach you the whole masterass around it i'm like I'm like I'm pretty sure you can buy this machine yeah I I it started in Dubai I'm pretty sure and then it that's where I saw about it and then yeah I've been seeing

(3:19:20) some people set it up in Miami but it's like I mean what master class you need you just need to know what perfumes are good uh popular as a franchise model more than just selling the machine he's trying to give you a head start to say "Hey I'll teach you how you can you know go find franchise locations what to look for what perfumes to buy basically he's trying to sell more than just the machine.

(3:19:42) " So he's trying to sell a service i was like [ __ ] it sounds like yeah oh yeah 100% there's I can really buy the machine myself and do it but I mean there he's trying to sell a masterass out of it it's bit scammy but I'm like okay i mean he's a smart guy but uh he's into a bunch of stuff everyone in Miami is hustling that's what I appreciate about that city it's like yeah there are scammers but most people are willing to connect and network and you know try to hustle so many fake people seems like all the course career so many places like all the coin yeah Miami is definitely a lot of fake

(3:20:24) capital that that's where all the NFT scammers are too that's where they all I was going to say that's that's exactly where KT Hustles went right after all the courses and stuff started the rental car he's always been there he's always been in Miami the rental car business is booming in Miami oh yeah for luxury car rentals oh [ __ ] my my my one of my friends from university actually has a rental business so when I was in Miami he's like "Oh here's the Rolls-Royce you want to take this out you want to take the

(3:20:51) Corvette Ferrari?" I'm like "I'm good you can I I'm not going to get to rent this car and just sit in traffic." But I'm like he was telling me the the [ __ ] stories that go around with the car rental business he's like "Realistically he makes more money because he has a repair shop.

(3:21:09) " And so any insurance claims he goes claims it against private insurance of whoever rented it and then they fix it for say a thousand bucks they charge insurance 5k and he's like that's real money too that it's like to end this business in theory they integrated end to end that they're not just renting the cars out but they're also uh maintaining and fencing i'm like "Okay you do you.

(3:21:41) " That's hilarious but insurance arbitrage with the Cologne uh aspect of like Yeah like that like with anything has good potential if you have the right locations like you can't just put that in any old city most likely uh but where you could also do a lot better is like what a lot of people probably don't do like target targeting things like nightclubs and stuff probably even do considerably well and that's a little bit more unique um touristy locations etc um by or near some restaurants it could even work in like gym stuff right what was that

(3:22:20) it could also work in gyms and stuff like fitness centers you go to a gym i mean obviously the more high-end ones like Equinox already have some of those services but you could easily target mom and pop shops gyms and fitness centers or like swimming pools or whatever 100% but I also believe that probably what a lot of people don't do is like they just sell you like the the cologne sprays what you should do is put some type of link or QR code where somebody can actually buy that bottle of cologne either you sell it yourself or via an affiliate link and that could probably

(3:22:50) be even a more substantial part of your revenue you just like sell more samples of it what's that oh you work with different cologne companies like now I have a I have a distribution system do you want your cologne featured in my product and rather than charging $1 a puff you charge 50 cents for that and now people are trying products it's kind of like when you get free Red Bull right they want you to test the product with perfume most likely you want to spray it that's the way you're going to buy it you never really buy a perfume unless you get a free Amazon deal with

(3:23:23) something like that it's viable but you have to build out that network first to make that viable and get like quoteunquote brand deals right so to begin with like chances are most people are probably just going to start off with one machine and certain companies are going to be like "Fuck you." Like you're nobody like they're not going to pay you [ __ ] but eventually you could certainly work your way up to that 100% i mean you could even do that with your local perfume business you just say "Hey look I have this uh vending machine you

(3:23:51) want to put up your uh your new releases on here?" You can set up a partnership that way and have advertised for their store well like what like what you can do a lot with that as well is like just say for example you find like a niche place that's local you can say like I want your product for free in here so I'm not going to pay you anything for the product you're going to sell it but then where you're going to get benefit for both of you is again having like a QR code link so that somebody can go and purchase that so that they get a sale from potential sales from you and then

(3:24:25) you can also earn a potential affiliate commission off of that as well so very very low cost for both parties minus your your own machine but there's also potential for consistent revenue that way and exposure for them through vending machine just pay a high school kid 15 20 bucks an hour give him a ice cooler box with some cold water some sunscreen and go to the beach on a sunny day and a long weekend there you go until you have some uh bylaw officer complaint but like that's legit like even like in

(3:25:04) any place that's relatively hot that has any kind of population you can literally take [ __ ] water bottles go down any popular places uh parks beaches whatever you can sell water bottles and you can make pretty pretty good [ __ ] money just slanging water bottles yeah after even like when you go to all these big events like in these arenas or sports games like after leaving the concert these guys who have like those cycles they like charge you $50 to go like two blocks but like similarly you leave a stadium you're paying $10 for a bottle of water you come outside you get

(3:25:35) it for five bucks like you look at those hot dog stands like you're making bank obviously you're dragging bringing attention to yourself if you go to these big events since there's usually enforcement around but hey money to be made bro take these colog to those comic events and those what do you call it those those nerd events oh my god these people stink it is crazy that might not be your target market they're probably not going to pay you i mean I mean they don't shop yeah but that means they ain't going to pay you for no cologne either

(3:26:08) i know there's this one guy on Reddit like who who buys a bunch of colog in bulk and then like puts them into like samples and then resell them yeah decants yeah that's pretty common with a lot of the influencers like they they shield a cologne and then they'll um sell like one or 2 ml or 10 ml samples of it yeah this dude oral business too three mans get together release a Ferrari and then every day of the week Monday Tuesday is my week next week it's you on weekends it's a sharing economy what are your thoughts of even those raffles where like people say here's a

(3:26:51) handbag or some special thing that's $3,000 everyone $10 raffle and then you know realistically you're making $4,000 in just raffles because each person put in I don't know 20 bucks each and you had 500 participants or whatever ignore my math but there you go you pay for that in itself has large potential but you just need the the audience accordingly right so like those exist those exist heavily for example in like Pokemon TCG communities like buy some trades you see a lot of those raffles happening a lot of people do them consistently where it's like they'll put up a a product that cost $200 and

(3:27:26) they're selling so many spots that you know they're $20 each so you can potentially get it for 20 bucks but their their actual revenue ends up being $400 right and I see people do that all the time and you can do that with anything that has a market 100% as long as you have the audience behind it yeah either you do it on a Facebook group and you have like it just as comments or you have a proper system right or a website or whatever yeah like you don't even have to get fancy like a lot of people that are probably making

(3:27:55) the most money here literally doing it via comment system in Facebook and just you're just [ __ ] e transfer them or PayPal because 10 bucks is nothing for $200 correct and people people unfortunately love gambling it's a form it's a form of gambling right i've also seen um in the past probably like year or so uh some people may be familiar with the platform whatnot here uh whatnot recently has gotten kind of a bad rap with having like a lot of shitty people on there a lot of people are attempting to scam people but I think whatnot still has a lot of potential

(3:28:36) it's a essentially a live shopping platform um but I've seen people that literally build up like a following doing like their live streams their selling platforms whatever they're doing but then they take their live stream and they'll do live streams like directly at a thrift store and so they'll find clothes that have potential higher resale value than what they're paying for they'll literally on stream buying this [ __ ] and saying or not even buying it yet putting on stream asking what people are willing to pay for this or put it up for auction selling it before

(3:29:06) they even buy it from the thrift store oh yeah even another part of that what I've seen is um these like you know these sample designer sales where you have to wait like 2 three hours in line and like you have these high-end brands like I don't know LV or Gucci literally will be like okay I'm at the store list a whole bunch of stuff and then they just take a straight 20% cut off whatever because they waited in line right I mean people pay people to wait in line for a drop or even to buy something so why not cuz you're still getting it 50 60% off retail right mhm

(3:29:42) 100% there's a cake economy for for line standards yeah man business can be there's a lot a lot to business it can be exciting there's a lot of opportunity out there if somebody's willing to put in some effort research and some work consistency aka I lack quit slipping if you start selling a [ __ ] course Jaden oh so help me God you got to get up there first don't follow your friends i would do I would do something like travel hacking related if anything like it's something I enjoy that's my issue my issue is I get excited about something it's fun and then if I don't

(3:30:35) have interest in it it's see you later it's about keeping something interesting or motivated enough like the money doesn't motivate you after a certain point so you need to find another way to be motivated that's true like consist consistency is number one thing but also if you want to build like an actual sustainable business you have to get rid and completely destroy the whole thought process that I'm going to love this all the time because chances are most businesses especially like a business that you're going to make successful

(3:31:06) it's probably not going to be super exciting it's probably not going to be sexy and you may not love it every day but you have to still be willing to do it and success is going to be you showing up and willing to do things that you don't want to do and nobody wants to work for a living everyone would love to just sit on the beach and be a billionaire but even Jeff Bezos works i guess that Yeah that whole that whole thing like anybody that has that aspiration I guarantee you that probably 99 out of 100 of those people are [ __ ] broke or

(3:31:38) they're essentially living paycheck to paycheck or don't make any real money because that that doesn't that's not a thing that doesn't exist passive income is [ __ ] [ __ ] unless you inherited like a substantial amount of wealth or got stupid lucky on something that doesn't exist so that's what you'll hear from all the uh mlmmer yeah that's what you hear passive income yeah that's all [ __ ] [ __ ] passive income doesn't [ __ ] exist the mo the most pass quoteunquote passive that you can get is stock market if you have somebody else managing your money or

(3:32:17) real estate uh and that's if you have property managers but even real estate is not technically passive and in some cases it can be extremely not passive because [ __ ] tenants and issues that you have to deal with etc so like passive income is [ __ ] there's things that are more passive than others or that you don't have to pay as much attention to but passive income is [ __ ] [ __ ] i mean if you over time if you have like grow a lot in like even ETFs or something like that and it grows roughly like 4% you know every year and you have a substantial amount of money that's

(3:32:54) pretty passive true but you need for that to be worthwhile you need a substantial amount of money for it to be worthwhile right yeah yeah so time Yeah yeah yeah because like Yeah like 100% you can just throw money into a [ __ ] stock market and expect like an average return of like what 6% and so if we throw in what say we have a billion dollars we throw the stock market 6% that means we're going to make $50 million a year [ __ ] yeah we can do that but you need a [ __ ] billion dollars first exactly yeah

(3:33:26) i I could do with making 130 grand or 136 grand a day that's not bad do you think though that like there's this whole thing of like international students and immigration and in general like local Canadians is there an element of that hard labor work for your dollar not a thing cuz I guess the the newer age is used to yeah I can make money online with some course or to your point stock exchange this so do you like at the end of the day there's a system like a systematic issue per se or the way I think you had taught to think how life

(3:34:04) might be or how you can education system your school designs you to work at a desk job if you go to college if you go to well high school college university unless it's a technical college you're pretty much designed to work on a desk that's kind of how you're taught and that's where your framework that's like where your viewpoints are limited to bro isn't that what you do yeah yeah I do well I mean I I have been flipping stuff for a long time before so it's not like I haven't I only just started flipping so I do I've always been I was always does done stuff on the side but yeah I mean that is what I do

(3:34:43) primarily yeah but no like so it's not necessarily a bad thing but like majority of people are are are that way because they don't even know about anything else because they're not taught about it 100% but also like like there's so Jaden asked about people like having a a conception about like not having to work so I believe like with the things that are being portrayed as much as they are and like how people indicate you can make easy money doing this doing this doing this it's all [ __ ] that's being fed and shoved

(3:35:16) down people's throats i believe a lot of young people get that connotation and that impression yes and they get fed into them so I believe that at some point there will probably be a large subsection of people that will probably like their dopamine receptors will be so fried and they'll have so little motivation and they'll be so unhealthy that they probably will not be not not not not physically but not mentally capable of working properly and that'll probably be like a whole new subsection of like section 8 housing homeless people whatever

(3:35:51) that reminds me of I saw a Caleb Hammer clip of the of the of the girl who couldn't work because she had dog separation anxiety i see I see about that like people are so [ __ ] [ __ ] it's like are you serious it's crazy that is That is [ __ ] yeah my therapist recommended yeah yeah my dog my dog freaks out so I can't leave [ __ ] you no no no she freaks out yeah yeah yeah she freaks out cuz her dog's not there i thought it was her dog i thought it was No no it was No it was her she's like She's like "My therapist recommended me

(3:36:28) not to go to work because my I have anxiety when I'm away from my dog bro that is just You're just cooked that is just That's the thing man these therapists they just enable you." Like like there was there was this um this sketch like a video of um of a guy who went to um psychiatric conference like he he was interviewing people coming out from it right in the front door and he was like basically asking like how many people did you cure and they all like some people just straight up ignore him and other people say well you can't really cure anyone and then most of them are like no we haven't really cured anyone

(3:37:06) well again they're not they're not like very some cases of like super like actual like chemical imbalances mental instability chemical imbalances is false it's not even true that's like uh that that was proven to be false what What about like people no okay so so so better word like like schizophrenia yeah well I mean that's a mental illness yeah yeah so that that's more sort of Yeah yeah so like that like that that can't even be like cured with therapy but it can be like maintained with medication so like in situations like

(3:37:38) that or people that like have like that just have like super like rank mental instabilities yes in some cases I could see therapy helping some people but I agree that most people they're just being soft [ __ ] and they just [ __ ] just just quit being [ __ ] stupid well some of them I think they just still need it they can just go ahead and you know take that these are Yeah self These are self-imposed illnesses like people are putting it on themselves and because they're told that it's valid so they're kind of being reinforced in that way too so yeah it's just it's just how it is unfortunately

(3:38:26) yeah and a lot of people don't want to hear it because a lot of people don't like self accountability well it's also like breaking away from reality right once you warp reality and say you know it you know a dog is a cat or and those sort of things once you are able to convince people of that then you can do anything right you can say whatever like I have dog separation anxiety or whatever the hell it is so yeah but like the thing is is like so unfortunately a lot of people even though like they think like they're very independent self-thinking whatever a lot of people are very very impressionable

(3:39:06) and it's not hard and like I because I heard something about it like a long time ago this was like years and years ago i might have watched like what's that magician's name that like convinces people to push people off of buildings like Dan dan David B no no no i don't know what what what that what's that guy's name he's like British uh Chris Angel no no chris Angel is [ __ ] stupid uh magician that convinces people to push someone off a building there's like a whole TV show about it um Darren Brown so like he has like a whole Netflix series where like he's attempting to manipulate somebody in a

(3:39:48) controlled environment and then eventually like at the peak of it uh convince this person that he basically just met to take somebody else's life by like convincing like to push them off of a building and like it's control like the person's like connected to like harnesses and [ __ ] that they don't see or like they're going to like end up on like a a platform whatever but like the whole thing is like to see if they can make somebody break and make somebody do this and it's like a like it's like a social experiment I guess that takes

(3:40:12) place over like multiple months like this person like is just like in in the moment now and like this guy is like attempting to basically manipulate this person and so I see I see that like a long time ago and I just wanted to see like if it worked and I convinced somebody a childhood friend of mine that we that we did something that we never did like I convinced him that I don't remember what it was but like oh you remember this this and this or like how we did this and I convinced him that this is something that we did and we never did it i just sounded so confident about it and that he believed that we

(3:40:45) actually did it and so people are so impressionable and you can convince people of things so easily and so yeah people can get very unfortunately people are very weak and they can get these ideas brought on them even if they don't necessarily uh believe in that's where the term con man comes from confidence man right 100% i did a test um I think way back when in school uh with with a crowd with this and it was a noise test so like I would give a certain amount of people like a subset of people in the crowd um like they all first of all had cards

(3:41:28) and they would write down whether they heard the noise or not but I gave a subset of the crowd to just say that they heard it and I let them go first so first of all I played the sound and they was no sound at all basically and then I asked a subset of the crowd if they heard it and of course that subset was they they claimed that they heard it right because I chose I made them say that and then I asked the rest of the crowd they also said they heard it which was funny i think there was a CIA experiment where where they uh had like u one test subject and like nine other

(3:42:07) uh participants that were in on it they showed a picture of a banana and they passed it around and the guy was every person they asked like what is this image they would say it's an apple until the actual person they were testing comes to him he's like oh yeah it's an apple too even though he knew it wasn't so yeah it's social conditioning is is very powerful that's why like you need to you need to be very sure of yourself and your beliefs and you need to be able to defend them and not give into [ __ ] [ __ ] just because somebody else you you can't care what other people think because you give

(3:42:44) like things like that you can very easily give into somebody else's [ __ ] and like make excuses for people and say it's okay or not not say something about something that's totally wrong because you don't want to you know disturb B the the peace it's you need you need self assurance and you need to tell people to [ __ ] off those people are also more susceptible to like social engineering and stuff like that so 100% those are people that can get quote unquote hypnotized because they tell you that you can yeah

(3:43:21) yeah um but yeah so there's um watch that if you ever anybody in here watch Darren Brown the push it's it's just interesting about like the social engineering like the whole concept of it and how he like preps these people for like months without them knowing it's very interesting apparently it's like all real like he's not actually like the people that are getting convinced they're not actors apparently but yeah it's very interesting and soon I guess um yeah that's why you can't that's why you need raw laws man that's why you have to

(3:43:57) have some strict laws for these things you have to protect some of these people that can't uh think for themselves cuz I unfortunately it's just I think it's in it's a it's in their nature because some people are just easily prone to being you know manipulated regardless of however much you teach them it's just how they are they haven't been burned enough this is why getting rid of natural selection was so bad is bad or is good cuz those people But then get not getting rid of it like creates opportunity though bro that's you're going you're heading into eugenics

(3:44:36) territory i believe a certain mustache man in favor of that you you hear all these an Austri Austrian painter you know i've heard so many so like recently because like everything happened with Israel and like Jewish people i've heard so many like so many different like theories and stuff about like the Holocaust and Hitler like people saying like how they how they overplayed like how many people were actually burned in the ovens or how many Jews actually died and how Anne Frank didn't actually make her diary it was written by her dad all kind well that

(3:45:12) that that that one the Anne Frank one I know about because it was written in a ballpoint pen whereas the pen wasn't released like 5 years after her supposed I think like seven years after her supposed death right so that was kind of the thing where they said they're kind of you know sketch yeah yeah that and like how strict it is like if you you can deny anything else but you can't deny that like you'll get you'll go to jail in Germany or any other country for denying it i mean it's kind of ridiculous like that

(3:45:44) that this whole thing about free speech like m like no matter if somebody's wrong or not you should be able to believe and say whatever the [ __ ] you want cuz that's the whole concept of free speech maybe it's just interpretation maybe you're allowed to speak but not I think the crime is it's just not it's just not uh implemented the same way is is what I'm getting sure like I I'm I don't disagree with uh you know certain things being restricted but if it's only for one specific thing whereas everything else like if you say you know like for example the civil war thing in

(3:46:24) America it was slavery right some people are saying like "Oh no the South didn't you know endorse slavery whatever it might be right history revisionists right you're not going to go to jail for that or any issue is going to be caused for that right you can deny certain things but only one thing or a couple of things that you can't deny is where they draw the line for some arbitrary reason.

(3:46:48) " Well nothing you should not be able to talk about because like even if somebody is wrong you should fully support and be part of wanting to have that person have free speech even if they're [ __ ] stupid because the only way to fix bad speech is with better speech and you need to be able but weren't we just talking about manipulation yeah we were 100% but what about and like there's you know there's death cults like I mean there's death cults that you know like what's his name charles Manson u you know how many people died because of following his uh beliefs and the things that he was saying and like there's also you

(3:47:20) know other perverse things like uh pedophilia or you know uh these minor attracted persons is what they're trying to call them now so so it's it's like it's a slippery slope because if you allow certain things to be uh openly uh you know under the guise of free speech allowed then the problem is is that people are very impressionable which we were just talking about many different examples so regardless you're going to have a lot of people you know follow them thinking it's true and the thing is is with the truth and lies is that you know a lie spreads across around the

(3:47:53) world before the truth even has time to put its laces on so it's like that's that's the sort of issue right especially now what we see with disinformation and how much damage that has on many different things right not just political or you know ideological but like healthwise too true and yeah but Oh no go ahead i was just I was just going to say um persons to should know how to think for themselves that is that is what I'm trying to say well not everyone's in the same situation to know right like for example if you grew up in a place where you had a good upbringing and you had

(3:48:29) education then you'll be more equipped to know certain things whereas someone who's new for example they wouldn't know right so it's kind of like leveling the playing field in that sense to protect the people that don't know or that don't have that information or that given that information or that people are just more impressionable than others then over time wouldn't it just continue to stay the same what's that instead of just like um you know if everybody was just held accountable then uh you know as even Jordan said natural selection will take place and then it would correct

(3:48:57) itself you know well that's the thing that's not but unfortunately we don't like we were just talking about manipulation right how many people are manipulated more more more people are manipulated than not right without them even knowing and you know the to their detriment too right so it's like we see more of that than we see of people you know not responding to that manipulation so like we know that it's a severe societal problem right so I'm of the mindset like so I agree with Ron that people need to they should think for themselves but unfortunately that's not

(3:49:30) the case and we know that because um and I I if people get offended whatever but like I I was kidding about natural selection i obviously think that we should protect vulnerable people in our society it's just a joke but if uh if people get offended for how I speak go [ __ ] yourself um I mean that's a different thing though right i mean a joke is subjective right yeah but uh what I was going to mention though is I believe that people like like Ron mentioned that like like people should think for themselves unfortunately they can't uh but I also believe that

(3:50:03) nothing like literally nothing unless it physically harms somebody else or instigates violence which even so like to a degree the person that is actually indic in instigates that violence is probably more at fault but like if you're not threatening somebody else as an example I believe you should be able to more or less say whatever you want with consequence like I'm a free speech absolutist and you should be able to have those conversations like if somebody wants to say that they're they're into [ __ ] children they should be able to say that

(3:50:34) but they also have deal with the consequences that they're going to get punched in the [ __ ] face and if they actually harm a child they they're going to deal with consequences where they're going to go to jail or get killed right but getting punched in the face kind of goes against the free speech absolutist thing that you're saying because now it's not it's not it's not free anymore right you're paying for it no no no i'm saying like they shouldn't get punched in the face for saying that but if they want if if they want to say that they

(3:50:57) have to be able to understand that a consequence could come the the person that assaulted them should be held accountable 100% because saying something is totally different than having an action 100% so that person that punched them should be held accountable and probably be jailed for assault i don't agree that they should for a pedophile but that's that's we have to live in a lawful society but yeah I I believe you should be able to say anything you want if you're not actually harming somebody else

(3:51:27) well the harm is different like that that's what you have to decide on what is considered harm right is it considered harm to manipulate a lot of people into doing something that's not good for them right like no taking medication if you're coercing somebody else and you're like you're causing like you're convincing somebody else to do something then no 100% no but like if I want to say that like the Holocaust didn't happen or if I want to say that yeah I mean that's different though but like that's why that's what the thing is

(3:51:51) that it would be subjective right so then they would say hey look who decides what is considered harm or not right because the definition of harm changes according to a different uh person right not all harm is considered the same psychological harm you know there's all these different types of harm that you could classify technically someone could argue you for well that's what you have to kind of try to identify and solidify into words like so somebody physically gets harmed or you mentally break somebody for example like if you

(3:52:19) convince somebody that they should kill themselves that's that's a crime right you're not harming them themselves but you found somebody that's mentally unstable and you convince them to kill themselves you should be held accountable for that 100% yeah well let's look at something a little more nuanced okay let's look at uh you know Yeah yeah let's look at the only fan situation for example right so you can argue that it's caused significant harm and you know there's observational studies that have shown this um you know statistical studies that have shown this that you know people aren't having

(3:52:49) relationships anymore meaningful some people aren't even having like women are technically not even holding their degrees that they paid money for and that they're qualified to and said they can make money just you know selling pictures online of themselves right and so if you look at as a whole it pretty much degragated you know the idea of a relationship and people not having children or you know being involved in any relationships and then eventually that leads to you know psychological problems mental problems loneliness

(3:53:18) anxiety all that sort of stuff and then you know if you quantify that as a whole you notice that it causes many many different problems right it can lead to you know breaking families and then we know that single parent households have like 70% uh 70% of criminals come from single family households single parent households rather so like you can eventually lead to the conclusion that it does cause a direct impact on these things right but we So then now you would say is like okay so well now based on all that evidence you know it should

(3:53:52) be banned right but then other people argue well no they're not we're not directly saying you do this this and this just because it leads to that doesn't mean that we're at fault here even though we can conclusively say it does right so that's what I mean by getting more nuance and then looking into the broader picture right but if so are we saying that cigarett banned what's that so are we saying that cigarette need um smoking needs to be banned overall health no I never said I never said that but I'm just talking about certain things that have if you look at if you look at quantifying certain things right if you quantify

(3:54:31) certain things some have more harm than others so if you look at statistics that's what I'm saying is a slippery slope because then you have to quantify what is considered harm yeah and what's harm is not harm to next so you have to look at you have to look at a society like if you look at a larger not not an individual scale or community scale you look at the whole entire population right but we also so like why so for example if you talk about cigarettes okay let's talk about that so compared to other drug not allowed why why would

(3:55:05) why why are certain things allowed like for example let's look at alcohol too right if you look at just just if alcohol was invented today right let's just do a thought experiment if it was invented today it would be considered a banned substance just based on the profile alone of the effects that it causes addiction you know kidney failure liver liver disease all these sort of things that can cause domestic violence you know uh drunk driving deaths all all those sort of things that are you know fully quantifiable and then you would essentially say no well this thing is as bad as like

(3:55:39) cocaine right uh on a societal level but yet it's not bad so that's that's the sort of thing I'm talking about there isn't really consistency because these things would are kind of arbitrarily set so this is where though in a if if we're looking at a society that is focused more around individual liberty and freedom which in my opinion is a better society i'm not saying that we have full individual liberty or freedom here because we don't and even in the US they don't specifically but if that's what

(3:56:11) we're if that's what we're attempting to obtain in our society we also have to set a certain point of individual accountability right and so I know we've I' I've had we've had this conversation before i don't want to go too too deep in the rabbit hole with drugs specifically but like I've mentioned and I take a relatively extreme stance that I believe no drugs should be illegal period they should be illegal to sell them it should not be illegal to consume them because and I know that you have arguments that somebody else consuming drugs can cause additional harms but it's up to that individual person to

(3:56:46) decide if they want to harm themselves and then it's up to that individual person if they're going to in turn harm somebody else so in my opinion somebody that if they want to harm themselves in any way they should be 100% free to uh it should have no no burden on the the tax system say as a whole i understand that somebody harming themselves like even somebody offing themselves can harm children i understand that um but as an adult we need to be able to make our own decisions because that's part of a free society and we have to take both good

(3:57:21) with bad so when I say good with bad I'm going to go down some [ __ ] rabbit holes so stay with me boys if we say good with bad and we look at something like say uh private private internet access like say v like dark web right or deep web i say those types of things are a super net benefit but alongside those types of things come a lot of harm as well if we want to focus on individual liberty and freedom we have to be willing to take the good with the bad and hold individuals accountable because even though that that dark web can be utilized for a lot of pedophile rings and people selling

(3:58:01) illegal illegal things um there's a lot of good that comes with it as well where journalists can stay relatively private or people that are in countries that have access uh blocked access to information they can now obtain that information so even though that there's a a a bad for that individual thing that can come of it there's also some potential good and I would argue even with all drugs regardless of what kind of drugs what kind regardless of what hardness of drugs you have there is potential good

(3:58:33) that can come from most of them very very few have absolutely no net benefit there are some don't get me wrong there are 100% are some but it should be up to the individual adult not children adult to make those decisions for themselves and be held accountable for anything that they do outside of that that causes harm to somebody else well your framework is kind of flawed because drugs by their nature are intoxicants and when you're intoxicated and you have you're not in your right mind to make those rational decisions

(3:59:04) that you're talking about right so once you get addicted to something you don't you're considered like it's it's considered a mental illness right because now you need therapy and addiction treatment so can I stop you there because there's there there's a large argument to be made that drugs in of themselves Yes there's a addiction component but there's a there's a doctor are you familiar with Dr i think his name is Carl Hart no so he's a doctor that is a recreational user of heroin because he has a he has a theory and multiple people have

(3:59:40) these theories that drugs in and of themselves are not the things that are necessarily always creating the addiction the thing that comes with addiction yes there are chemical hooks there's there's no denying that but when we look at people who get addicted to drugs to gambling to sex to whatever the case may be in almost all cases those people have other things happening in their lives that are causing them not to live a fulfilling life and uh have you ever heard about the rat park study that happened like I think like a decade or two ago have you ever heard of that

(4:00:12) maybe if you tell me what it was I might know so they did this experiment with rats they put them in they had two separate uh sections of rats and they gave rats access to a water bottle laced with cocaine and so Oh I think I know so in in cage number one they had rats just by themselves water bottle cocaine almost all those rats all they did all day was stuck on that water bottle get super high and I believe ended up overdosing or just going [ __ ] nuts and absolutely doing nothing and getting addicted in all aspects of the sense to that cocaine and number two they made

(4:00:46) what's called rat park where they give rats access to friends to multiple females that they can breed with to all types of obstacles toys food etc and in that case most of the rats still tried that cocaine water but none of them got addicted and none of them consistently went back to it and it did not impact their life whatsoever and the the the the whole thought is behind it is that if somebody has purpose in their life and they're actually doing something they're not um they're not just withering away behind themselves or have

(4:01:17) no community no connections no friends whatever the case may be that those people can if they wanted to take hard drugs and it's very unlikely that they will get chemically hooked to them so the the argument is that addiction in and of itself is more Oh yeah i mean I I don't disagree with that but the problem is is now with with drugs is like you're giving a suicidal person a gun right it's like it's like the same it's the same idea well if you're allowing drugs that's the whole thing where we need to

(4:01:48) attempt to protect our vulnerable but we also need at a certain point for freedom be able to have a a section of people what whatever whatever age that we agreed on in in our society we agree on 18 should it necessarily be 18 maybe not that's a whole another conversation but we need to have some self accountability that people can make decisions for themselves obviously if they're identified that they can't that just seems like obviously if they're identified that they can't take care of themselves and they're harm to themselves obviously in in those cases like intervention needs to happen but I'm I'm also of the

(4:02:20) argument and I know you don't agree with this because you're religious that if somebody is of sound mind like obviously this doesn't apply if somebody's very mentally unstable and you might argue that if they want to do this regardless they're mentally stable but I would argue that's not the case but I would argue that if somebody is actually mentally stable and they want to kill themselves they should be allowed to so that's the thing like it comes with when someone does something there's always going to be copycats right the

(4:02:48) same way people started saying you know stop publishing the stories and the pictures and the people of ser serial killers because often you would have imitators right they would do the same thing because they want the same thing right attention so it's like the same it's the same idea whereas if you see these trends or these fads going on there's going to be people that copy it that normally wouldn't have but now that they have social proof that it's something that you know they see happening then you will have them emulate it too right but just because

(4:03:19) there's a small subsection of people that may But here's the thing no no that's true but here's the thing what you're proposing could takes considerably more effort more like intangible uh ways of monitoring and knowing certain things than it would have just no I I'm not I'm not even arguing for like monitor because it's not it's not even viable like how to figure out these things that you would need to know that people is competent every single cuz that would be a case by case thing now you have to do case by case I'm not even arguing for that because generally speaking like again we can't know cuz you're you're right that's that's not

(4:03:53) that's not logistically possible and again like what I mentioned before unfortunately like with any form of actual freedom we have to be willing to take the good with the bad so yes in cases like say if we make all drugs absolutely legal you can consume any drugs that you want we're going to have a subsection of bad that comes with that because people some people that maybe were not going to try those drugs previously are probably going to try them and even a smaller subsection of those people may end up doing harm to

(4:04:20) somebody but I would argue that making those drugs illegal legal doesn't change anything anyway right because the people that want those drugs and are going to do harm are going to do it anyway so it's how if they don't have access to like for example if you're in the UAE you can't really get drugs the legal way and if you do the punishment is so severe that people don't even try it people still do it yeah but of course of course there's going to be some loopholes right but generally speaking generally

(4:04:53) speaking I'm talking about generally I always look at the broader picture i don't like looking at specific cases generally speaking it's at such a lower rate that the effects the ill effects of it are not found in that society at all and that's the main thing that you want to prevent is is you know those issues where it does have even if it's a small subset population that when it's public that's diff there's a difference between doing it privately and then publicly right privately you can do whatever you want right but my issue is what when it becomes public and then people become

(4:05:24) susceptible to it for the various things we're talking about manipulation and social uh you know changing people's minds about certain things just by talking to them you know what we were discussing earlier so that's like the same principle I would apply but with the example with the for example sorry I look at it like persons should be free of free of choice but not free of consequence of consequences that's that's simple you do what you want but recommends that let's come with yeah I think it's just different philosophies I'm more of a prevention is better than a cure rather than waiting for the disease to spread and then try to treat

(4:06:00) it but see so you use example UAE and so um yes they probably do have a lot less violent crime drug rellated crime etc i would rather live in a society where there is more potential for those things happening but somebody has a uh the freedom to make their own choice if they if they so choose so I would rather take like a society like where you look at the UAE as an example where they h they have strict laws against against drug use and they have less issues with drug use in their country i would rather give that up and

(4:06:41) give somebody the the complete freedom to do it if they want and the deal with the consequences that happen than live in a society where there's a consequence for you doing harm to yourself i mean that's the point of laws in the in generally right we have the laws to prevent societal harm right so for the general population not just some people that are able to forgo those laws and be safe and not cause anyone else harm but it's just again looking at the broader picture when you put that take take a

(4:07:12) representative sample size and then see what the statistics actually show that's the point of laws is that you prevent general harm right being a social any country where drugs are illegal and they don't have extreme punishment like the UAE which I would consider is potentially like harmful to like individual human rights right because like that's it's extreme does it is it effective yes but it's extreme uh any other society that doesn't have that but has laws that make drugs illegal still has massive drug problems and if you compare it to somewhere like Portugal

(4:07:47) that made all drugs completely legal to consume that society got better in terms of the drug problem once they did that because people were no longer I mean look at Vancouver yeah the same thing in Vancouver though they allowed free drug use openly and it the place got so much worse like I had I had a it shouldn't be it shouldn't be available to be public and it needs to be it needs to be introduced more so like Portugal did it you can't just go on the streets and shoot up and have no [ __ ] consequences like that's it's it's like drinking that's what I that's what I

(4:08:19) would say yeah so again Vancouver was pretty bad before as well it was bad before but not as bad as it is now it got terrible now like I was going to say we know someone in I know someone who works in the VPD Vancouver Police Department he said ever since they passed that law it just got substantially worse violent crime you know stabbings you know overdoses a lot of deaths it's just insane and he just he said it turned into a mad house but they unfortunately did it very very wrong whereas if you look at like something with how Portugal did it was

(4:08:48) when they did it so they didn't know how it how it was going to play out because nobody did it really in the past and the way that they did it is they made drug dealing itself is still illegal but you can consume any drugs that you want uh from what I gather I believe they offered help to people if they wanted to get off of it but I don't believe they had like safe injection sites as far as as far as I recall because you shouldn't be encouraging use for people if they want to do it they they can do it on

(4:09:13) like on their own but they took the additional funds that they saved from incarcerating these people and they put it into programs that could help these people get off addictions and give better education if they wanted it but again it was their choice and that caused a massive net benefit in their case so there there's still very much so incorrect ways that things can be done or more harmful ways and again I believe with everything like when you have any type of freedom there's always a a good that comes with the bad i still believe that I rather and I it's very much so different philosophies and

(4:09:56) different aspirations i believe it's more beneficial for more people and in my opinion a better overall standard of living if we are able to have our own individual liberties and freedoms it's like the the two worlds like micromanagement like decentralized organizations like you have high control and low accountability and like low control or low central control and high accountability in an aspect yeah and I would argue I even operate my cultural may have left you he went on mute he's gone you may have to go pray

(4:10:39) um but the I would argue that I kind of operate my like my my team my businesses similarly right like I don't micromanage i have no no desire to whatsoever uh but I have an expectation of everybody being able to hold themselves accountable and do what is required of them right and if they don't then they they have they have to deal with the consequences that they bestow upon themselves yeah you should you should be responsible for what you can influence do you know and I believe in aspects as well that a lot of the time when you operate in a lifestyle like that it also

(4:11:21) it exposes a lot of people but it also the people that do take advantage of it they feel more empowered and more more fulfilled with what they're doing because they're actually able to make their own individual choices and when they succeed with those choices it is more fulfilling to them because they did it themselves instead of just being told like do this do this do this i wonder if um cult beliefs if uh truth emerges from the competition of ideas that's like another case that then I guess go against what he mentioned this entire time what do you mean

(4:12:08) like because what you were mentioning was more like um on the side of like let's say free speech free market kind of decision of course there still should be some sort of control here and there like there should be there there's some nuance to it right but without having that that market or that free market you Some might believe that um with it's actually hurting like competition like you can't really compete or uh to build growth whether it's in ideas or in other areas so that's the part that I'm interested in because it does also inhibit it like the more control you have as well

(4:12:55) um the more inhibits or it could potentially inhibit growth right i would very much agree with that because if you don't have if you don't have an open marketplace an open free marketplace there there's going to be no no um what's the word I'm looking for i'm looking for a word i can't find it innovation not necessarily innovation but there's going to be no I'm looking for a different word but like aspiration to to achieve more okay um I think I was looking for a different word but whatever there's there's going to be no no desire to to to do that besides a

(4:13:38) select few people that do it just for quote unquote the love of the game right because there's going to be no reward at the end of it so and most people they do things they build things they innovate because of the expected reward and the things that come along with that right i don't know if that's necessarily true throughout history most most countries I would argue were had stricter laws and were a lot more strict in terms of uh things you could do and you couldn't do and we've seen massive amounts of innovation if anything I would say the laws are

(4:14:08) becoming a little more relaxed have become more relaxed recently uh with regards to prohibition and banning and um that sort of thing what societies in the past that you're aware of have had massive innovation in a closed marketplace practically every civilization if you look at the British Empire you look at any empire uh they've you know thrived under having a pretty closed and and stringent criminal system and uh blasphemy system and various forms of quote unquote suppression of free speech i mean that's throughout all civilizations I would argue so I I would argue that there was obviously progress

(4:14:55) that was made in certain aspects but there wasn't a lot of innovation that happened in those in those societies yes you see things like certain construction techniques architects art yes you see those but a lot of that was due strictly from individuals commanding it happen it wasn't from individuals just doing it out of their own free will and so it was very much so restricted so like for example just if you look at something very very basic like um construction methods uh the only reason why certain construction methods were done was because the leaders of those societies commanded people to

(4:15:32) either figure out things out or to do it certain ways and without an actual marketplace existing a free and open marketplace where somebody can actually benefit from that marketplace no innovation had happened with those specific types of construction something was done and it stayed that way until some emperor ruler decided that they wanted to change it i don't know if I would agree with that either i I just based on the limited history I know it didn't seem like to be the case maybe for one specific region but I wouldn't classify it for generally

(4:16:10) i think innovation I think majority of human innovation occurred uh you know up until the industrial revolution uh most of it has occurred up until then and even if you look at China for example the amount of innovation uh that's happening over there and a completely closed societ not closed society but like pretty strict society in terms of freedom of speech they're still you know progressing at I would argue at a a more rapid rate than the western society is because I think the western society is is more in repair mode rather than innovation mode so but China still has

(4:16:43) full access to the free and open marketplace yeah but limited but a limited limited expression of it right like they're very still very limited on things they can do because most of the things they can do is based on what the government allows for but so individual so yes I I agree like there's there's a lot of limitations that happen in that country but an individual in China if they want to start a business they can start a business and do almost anything that they want as long as it doesn't degrade their government

(4:17:12) so there there's lots of room for innovation and participation in the free and open market yeah but they can't do certain things again there's certain things that are they cannot do whereas they could do in otherwise so that's what I mean by um I don't think having restrictions and boundaries are necessarily a bad thing i think if anything they guide people towards more of a straighter path and then more for societal benefit than rather than limiting the freedom of an individual just because you not have a freedom to do a certain thing doesn't mean that having that freedom to do said

(4:17:42) thing would have been important or beneficial to you or society in the first place so like if we look at China as an example so China is is probably a good example because yes they are more restricted than other places and technically they're quoteunquote communists but not really they're living in a capitalistic society more or less but they are restricted 100% and things can happen and do get done much quicker in China because of the dictatorship that they have you're correct and yes because of that they may be able to progress further quicker etc

(4:18:14) but at the end of the day I would still argue that most of those people in China if you look if you look at that like if you look at China's society they probably have more people being taken advantage of extremely uh versus our society because they don't have the freedom to express themselves and to change things themselves whereas societies like us like we're still not perfect and we still have very limited control in in my in my in my opinion but we don't allow other people to control us in that sense where we essentially are slaves

(4:18:53) an example in China would be as well is that um they like to control their currency so every person in China um they actually have a specific amount uh that they can invest in i think it's like 30,000 uh in foreign investments so that they can control their currency for uh technically what they do is they use it for manipulation so that they can uh for trading actually with us they want to keep their currency low yeah so that's like pretty much inhibits growth well I mean that's artificially limits growth but I

(4:19:30) mean so I know so a family uh member of mine he actually did business in China he lived there for like 15 years and he recently came back because he wanted his children to have a Canadian passport just for uh you know privileges in terms of travel right and uh and being able to settle elsewhere so he was saying like you know every time every time he comes back he's like he feels like he's living in a dumpster like compared to China uh I'm talking about Canada so whenever he comes here he's like "Yo this place is a complete dumpster fire compared to

(4:20:03) living in China." And yeah I mean the paint the story he painted was completely different with regards to control and and all that sort of stuff so uh yeah I I don't know i would uh I I think my point still stands i think through our history we've seen the greatest civilizations built upon having strict compared to today strict guidelines and rules to limit certain deviations for the betterment of society so but those civilizations as an example do you think those civilizations of how they were and the path that they were on for whatever innovation that they were going

(4:20:43) towards do you think they would be able to dominate control the existing civil civilizations of today like say United States you mean if they were around right now correct uh I mean that's a very broad question and I would have to have more specifics on what you mean by control and uh what comparisons you're trying to make so what I mean by that is like so I would argue that since the industrial revolution and especially over like the last 50 to sub hundred years there's been more innovation and progress in terms of society than in any point in history in

(4:21:25) the world um and I believe a lot of that has to do with the existing societies that we have being more open and free than what they used to be that's my belief um so my my thought was because you mentioned that the these societies um had more more potential innovation uh I could like say if we look at like say just an example the ancient Roman Empire say they existed and they never fall they they they never fell ever do you think that they would be at a point where our civilization is today in terms Oh they would be further even like you look at the ancient Egyptians

(4:22:01) there's still many techniques of of things what they created that we still can't figure out how they did with the limited tools they have but the problem is is that as societies fall a lot of the knowledge and information is lost so then they kind of go back to square one so if you had those societies back then and they managed to survive yes 100% they would be much further along because I think I think America of course I'm not saying I disagree with uh like a lot of things I agree with what America has done and western I guess quote unquote western society has done but to say that

(4:22:35) it is because of what they their principles and their rules is the reason why I think that's a disservice to all the achievements before and the people the innovations that came before and what led to them to that point so it it I I think it's it's a it it's hard to say because that's like saying you know that's like kind of kind of comparing um two different things that you don't really have um a basis or a standard to compare with right cuz they're completely different societies they're completely different times there's different metrics of what you consider

(4:23:11) success and yeah it's just if you look at overall you know were their citizens all happy were they like not living in poverty were there nations where there was no such thing as poverty yeah there were um can you compare to America today of course uh you can say well they were all definitely better off because they didn't have all those issues that America has right now right so it's it's kind of hard to compare this it's a very broad question but generally I think yes certain things have led to more

(4:23:42) innovations but there also has been many restrictions too like we just don't see it cuz the rules aren't generally applied evenly um in the spirit of the law which are supposed to be for I I would agree with that and I would agree that we live in a very very imperfect society and a lot of things could be improved upon when we look at those those beliefs and fundamentals that I that I believe in uh but I I would argue that those past societies if they still existed today I would and again like you're you're right like it's it's hard to compare and we don't know but I would

(4:24:19) probably bet that they wouldn't be quote unquote as far along uh as the society the civilization that we live in today um with the Egyptians it's hard to compare with the Egyptians because we don't know if they had the help of help of aliens or not all right we going to go there okay well just so you know in our religion we can't confirm or deny aliens so there you go you can believe in aliens if you want to you guys are agnostic what no no no in aliens aliens you guys are agnostic what's going on in aliens

(4:24:59) i like [ __ ] with you why can't you confirm or deny if there's aliens do does your your scholars know some hidden knowledge some ancient history well no we just don't know like there could be or they couldn't we just don't that information isn't really relevant to us based on our scriptures yeah only the guys that are in the know really know for sure no no it's just not relevant at all it's just like it's like Yeah it's just like it doesn't matter right you guys got It's not relevant you guys got to be 33rd degree Muslims to to know

(4:25:34) that i'm not I think that's a Masonic thing i'm pretty sure yeah I know it is masonic or what's that other thing called uh the Tom Cruz called what's it called scientology yeah it's one of those things i don't think ma masons are as crazy as Scientology but it's still a little little out there uh I mean Masons are more secretive you never know so uh at one point in my life I was a Freemason no I was I I was not a Freemason ever i I believe my grandpa I believe my grandpa that's what a Freemason would say yeah no no no

(4:26:18) you know Do you know that specific handshake no I don't i'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure their whole thing is if you ask them they'll tell you but they won't tell you anything about it um I'm I think one of my grandpas was I can't confirm for sure but like we found some like Mason or Masonic like cufflinks and [ __ ] in his stuff after he died so I don't know for sure but um I don't even know why I did this but when I was in the insurance industry I used to one part of like being like doing home insurance I would actually go in and

(4:26:49) inspect people's houses before reinsured them and like give proper building or replacement cost estimates etc and I just naturally talked to people and one guy that I talked to uh he was in his garage oh chilling is leaving for a second i'm going to wait before I tell the story how rude Lee's in the middle of you might as well tell i'm going to be back in like 10 minutes i'll wait until you come back all right thanks so rude of him leave him by the middle of my story [ __ ] yeah Rose is a was getting you know was getting juicy uh it's it's not it's not that juicy

(4:27:32) it's just I was part of a social club of Masons for a special period of time yeah really no no weird rituals or nothing i'll tell the I'll tell the full story when he's back it's not It's funny because um not as exciting as what you think i I remember one time um I went to like a Starbucks or something nearby and I seen like this Rolls-Royce like this blue Rolls-Royce i don't I think it was a Cullinin or something like that and then it was it was really weird cuz like you never really see see that in that in

(4:28:13) that area that I was in and I noticed that the license plate said Freemason and I was just like "Oh interesting very interesting." Yeah like um I think in like almost every major city there's like a masonic temple and like I didn't know this for like ever but like probably like in my early early 20s maybe maybe late teens I found out like that we actually have one in Saskatoon and I found out where it was i was like no [ __ ] way and like it's not like it's hidden or anything but just like kind of like somewhere we

(4:28:46) never pay attention to and like you you can literally drive on one of our freeways and you look over you could see it they're like "Sure [ __ ] big [ __ ] Mason symbol there." It's like no [ __ ] [ __ ] it's interesting i wonder how many people even know about um Remason those that are not in the know probably like not too many or they know very very surface level like like almost with anything like business opportunity whatever very few people know or even want to attempt to learn about anything usually when I when I whenever I see something and like I just don't understand it I actually just want to go and learn and

(4:29:29) take a deep dive that's when I just get into rabbit holes and all that stuff well yeah it's interesting learning because you can learn things that are interesting or that like you never knew about and like whether it's true or not or you go into some weird conspiracies whatever like sometimes they're they're fun and sometimes you can learn a lot yeah like lead you to other areas as well 100% it can and it can allow you to have conversations like this with other people that have other interests exactly exactly instead of like the

(4:30:01) Go ahead no no instead of what i I was going to say instead of like the you know the regular small talk of movies sports and like other stuff like weather yeah weather yeah [ __ ] celebrities like [ __ ] off yeah celebrities and weather and oh my god did you hear this person did this or won this [ __ ] Golden Globe cheated on who yeah in reality that was all just control it's so like social un like not important has nothing to do with your life it's like why the [ __ ] you spend all this time looking at [ __ ] and

(4:30:40) learning about [ __ ] that has absolutely nothing to do with you yeah it's just got that extra time to burn after a nine to five so they had to insert something into our lives that makes people very dull to talk to it's not interesting and that's that's how it is too and it's funny because like here there will be like much more interesting engaging conversations and a couple and a like a couple my friends are like that as well but once you go into like you know corporate world and all that stuff it's it's totally opposite 100% i find like because I was in the corporate world for

(4:31:21) a while I find that with most people if you attempt to really connect with them on like a human level and like just like try to pry their interest out of them even if they don't want to eventually you can have an engaging conversation but that's if you're willing to put in that effort to begin with you really have to pry to get there because everybody has some like weird something that's [ __ ] weird about them they like feet or they [ __ ] shoot heroin or some [ __ ] they they somebody will have some kind of weird [ __ ] that's that's potentially interesting but you have to like really like have a good conversation with

(4:31:54) somebody yeah yeah you really have to dig You really have to dig in to figure it out cuz you know like before that corporate thing you know they they had a you know some degenerate degeneration oh 100% i always remember that a guy at one of the insurance offices I worked at I was in a cubicle he was in one next to me he was there before I started and like he was just nice enough guy but just slightly off and like just like randomly talking to him throughout the day it's like it just seems like he's just making up [ __ ] like out of nowhere and like for no reason like not

(4:32:33) even things that like would like get like you like clout it just seems like you're just lying about things just to lie about things okay so I'm like "Why is this guy doing this?" Like that's interesting to me like I It's annoying but it's interesting like why do you do that some Something's wrong with you like why do you do that uh what's wrong with you and um I would just have a conversation with him just to like see what he says and I would also not feed into his lies like if I knew he was lying about something I would tell him like "No you're wrong." And I tell him why and he like he would he would get super super

(4:33:08) uh kuffled about it because I don't think anybody's ever done that to him ever people would know that he's lying about something but just kind of like either just you know shake it off or like just like not even like talk about it right and like he got he got like super weirded out to begin with and like I think like for like probably like a few days I think he like really didn't like me until I told him like you know like I'm not doing this to like spite you i'm not like trying to like call you out in front of anybody like I I just say to him directly I just know that

(4:33:34) you're you're bullshitting and I'm curious why and then after that we were able to have a real conversation and like he's somebody that like you know very like mentally unstable individual and like a lot of past [ __ ] that happened but we're able to have a real conversation without him lying after I addressed him just being full of [ __ ] that's funny i noticed that a lot of people that do do that on purpose like just lie um they just do that to kind of fit in in a way and I think some people are some people

(4:34:07) do it for for status or whatever but I think some people are just compulsive liars like he he I'm pretty sure he was just like a compulsive liar because like the one thing that I really remember is he lived a block behind my parents and that's where I grew up and so I was very familiar with that neighborhood and he said that he was renting a basement suite on the block over and I roamed those neighborhoods when I was a kid and he said that this basement suite that he rented was like something egregious like 200 square feet just like like no

(4:34:39) absolutely no reason like doesn't give you any clout whatever if anything it makes you look stupid for spending this much money on a small space i just like and I just I just immediately said I was like "No it isn't." He's like "What do you mean?" I was like I I grew up there i was like you're you're completely floor [ __ ] no houses have a a basement that small like all the houses are like basically matched with their main floor he's like "Yeah it is." I was like "Okay let's pull up the SAS tune tax

(4:35:03) assessment." Pulled it up tells you what size the [ __ ] basement is i was like "Right there it's like eight eight or 900 square feet." He's like "Oh and like it's it's satisfying to call people like that but I wasn't doing it to be a [ __ ] i was just doing it because like I just knew he was lying and I knew nobody had ever ever like called him out on it for whatever reason i was like that that that's bad behavior that needs to be fixed i I don't I don't want to have to be like be your father but I don't want

(4:35:29) to support your I don't want to be support your bad habit but it's interesting like I wonder um if Well he knows he's lying right but like if if he at some point believed his lies he probably convinced himself for a lot of things 100% i I guarantee he did [ __ ] i'll get back to that story in a second but like with with that like I think maybe he got somewhat of a a thrill like if people like believed his lies too yeah yeah kind of a status weird like weird kind of kink or something and like it's just like man it's strange like I never came like I've came across people that like lie about things and just like

(4:36:16) make [ __ ] up but like not so compulsively like he's probably like the worst case like and for absolutely no reason like no status symbol whatever it's just like so so so weird i knew one person that I was really close to that is that is exactly was exactly like that even like like when I was like a kid and stuff he would say like "Yeah my my dad owns a EB game store and Walmart and all these.

(4:36:39) " And then like "No he doesn't." Like we know like where you live we know your dad like and he's and he's like "Oh you know and then you can make up some other thing like oh yeah I can get free games oh yeah I can get free pizza he has a like.

(4:36:55) " And then at some point I was just like there's something really wrong with this guy maybe like something more than just him lying i don't know maybe to fit in or cloud or as you mentioned and stuff like that that was one guy and then another person I knew same thing but he didn't he didn't compulsly lie like that like he he actually used it to invent but this is totally different like he knew how to like social engineer and it was one time where like I remember he he's like "I'll show you this." And and I realized like McDonald's or something he's like "I'm going to get a like meal for completely

(4:37:27) free." And I'm like "Okay." Like "What do you mean?" And he's like "No I'm going to go there and just talk to this person get it's completely free." And then he did it and I was like "Okay maybe this just happened once or something." And then he did it again and I was like "Damn like that's crazy.

(4:37:41) " He just made up some [ __ ] story and all that kind of stuff and then bought some meal for free and I was like "Wow that's that's interesting." But like two different types of flyers so that that person that was doing that like was that when you were kids that was the first time the the first story was when I was kids was when I was a kid and the sec Yeah the second one the second one was like when I was in my teens so like Yeah kid so So that's probably an indication like because he's probably not it's always possible but he

(4:38:13) probably didn't learn that it's probably possible that he's a little psychopathic yeah that's what I Sounds like he wants attention if anything could be what's crazy about it is like we like event like I I knew him for a little bit and then eventually he grew up to not just do that like with like small little tricks like that whole like McDonald thing but he did it with like deals like with companies and stuff yeah so he he I was like he might be like slightly like socio or psychopathic yeah yeah yeah that's what I eventually found out and and then at some point I think somebody said that to me as well

(4:38:54) and I kind of you know noticed it a bit and he said and they were like that that's why and I just kind of cut ties with that person cuz I don't know what could happen to me you know if he's like that I could I could myself get uh manipulated most like I think it's like a vast majority of like high ranking like uh executives and CEOs are uh psychopathic or sociopathic i think it was narcissistic yeah narcissistic it was narcissistic yeah i don't know if it was psychopathic Jordan that's a little that's a little extreme no but but but like but but psychopath sociopathic yeah that makes

(4:39:25) sense yeah so let's look at the definition of psychopathic hold on because I think psychopathic the main definition is not being able to feel emotion right define psych it's not like just being a killer psychopathic affected by or constituting a chronic mental disorder with extreme or violent social okay so sociopath no not psychopathic yeah I was going to say it makes more sense psychopath is a little extreme no no i was mean sociopathic that's what I So not not feeling like empathy right and being manipulative so yeah like I I think a good chunk of CEOs is

(4:39:57) sociopathic not psychopathic yeah no that makes sense i was getting I was getting that [ __ ] mixed up but he used like so many things to his advantage was it was like very interesting like the way he would dress also like knew like fairly groomed and all that kind of stuff like he knew how to really use all the points well at least from what my limited psych uh courses that I took back in university usually these people the sociopaths they have some form of uh issues in their childhood and their upbringing so that's kind of like a coping mechanism that they use uh to compensate for something they lack or

(4:40:37) like the lack of attention from their parents or something similar to that nature so however you pronounce it sociopathy or whatever is always like really interested me because like it's it's interesting like just like how different some people can be it's like some like 1% of the population or something or they're sociopaths right um it's also very interesting like if you're able to identify it and tell somebody that you know because it completely [ __ ] with them i did that with one of my old bosses at like the

(4:41:07) very first insurance office that I worked at because like I was always I always like looked into things and researched things that interested me and one of them was like sociopaths and I figured like like not long after I met her that that she she was one just like very very manipulative right and I specifically told her that once like in private and like she was super shocked and never mentioned it to me again i wasn't doing it to like be like an [ __ ] about it i was like I believe you have sociopathic tendencies that's all I said and she was like super

(4:41:41) shocked about it and it's very interesting to see that because most people never mention it to somebody i wonder how she felt at that at that moment she never mentioned it again so I imagine just shock maybe she thought she was fooling everybody it's like you got me but mo I think a lot of people like some people get fooled but I think some people just play along like you mentioned like with like your buddy there like you pro like you you seen like that he's he's that way and that's probably how most people see it but most people probably just never

(4:42:18) say anything they they play along with the delusion right some people let them get manipulate let themselves get manipulated exactly um but I'll tell my my Mason story so when I was in the insurance we did home inspections and I did this one guy's home inspection and when I came to his house he was sitting in the garage and he was having a cigar i enjoy cigars so we just randomly start talking about cigars and how I enjoy them and things that you like whatever just making conversation as I'm going through his house taking pictures and then he

(4:42:53) mentions to me that I don't remember exactly how it went this is quite a long time ago but I don't remember if he mentioned to me that he was a mason off the hop or that he had like a social club social gathering where guys would hang out shoot the [ __ ] smoke cigars and whatever and I believe I believe that day he asked me if I ever wanted to come by just let him know and it's kind of weird because I never knew this guy but he was like in his like 60s7s i was like I don't think he's going to attempt to rape me he doesn't seem like the type so

(4:43:26) I just decided I just decided that one day that they're having it I think they had it like once a month or every couple weeks I was like "Yeah [ __ ] it you never know what's going to happen right?" Like you you might meet somebody that absolutely changes your entire world right so I went and yeah they were all guys that were Freemasons like local Freemasons and they have like their social gatherings where there was a group of like anywhere from like half a dozen to like 10 of them hang out they just you know have a few drinks have cigars in whether like one of their businesses or their garages their houses

(4:43:58) whatever and so I hung out with some of these guys for a little while because a lot of them were like business owners one guy owned like a pizza shop one guy was a he owned like an auto body shop other people had just had different professions just interesting to talk to people um and like there were guys that they the one guy asked me if I ever wanted to like get involved with Freemasons and I was like "Eh I don't really know like I'll kind of hang around and see." They didn't really bring it up a whole lot and then uh the one time I went to the

(4:44:30) guy's auto body shop they had like a you would go into the auto body shop they had like upstairs like lounge area and we would go there and smoke cigars um he like was like super drunk the one day and he was just bitching about like everybody and everything and this guy's like 50 60 years old grown ass man just like sounding like a woman just like going and just like bitching about like absolutely nothing for no reason i was like yeah I'm not really a fan of people like that so I just stopped going and I never associated with him again but yeah

(4:45:01) I thought he wasn't juicy but I was involved with some Freemasons and I knew some of them for a short period of time so you do know the handshake no I don't they never did any weird handshakes but I imagine that they have them huh it's not like really weird it's just like they have a specific point where they put pressure on when they're shaking your hand so the other person wouldn't really know unless they're a freemason right and this is I was told this by someone who knew someone in the who had a family member that was part of the Masons so I don't know if that's

(4:45:35) true or not but yeah like they would never like talk about the weird virtual [ __ ] that they did or robes or anything like that like they [ __ ] about other people well of course you're not initiated of course they wouldn't tell you yeah yeah they like talk about like whatever [ __ ] events that they have going on and bitching about it whatever but I was like "Yeah it doesn't really seem for me it sounds like you guys are like more so like a gossip club than anything." I was like "Nah I'm okay.

(4:46:01) " That's interesting yeah like I mean it was interesting just to like have the potential to to meet people because you never know what people are into and do but have a good night Ron see you later yeah like I met some guys like I met a guy that um ran a business it was a I don't know if it's specifically like a crime cleanup business but they were called I think Brothers and Grime like I think him and his and they they did that was a good dude yeah and they did a crime scene clean up and [ __ ] but I like

(4:46:39) I think they also did like when like they like if they found like somebody like dead in their house and [ __ ] like weird [ __ ] like that and like kind of like a kind of a weird dude which makes sense and like the first time I met him he's like "Oh you want to see some gross pictures?" I'm like "No no I'm good man like I don't want to I don't want to see that shit.

(4:46:58) " That's what he said the first time you met yeah I don't think it was immediately but I was sitting next to him and like asked him what he does and he says like he owns his business and then I I don't remember but I think it was like relatively quickly like asking if I want to see some of these pictures from his work i'm like "No man i'm good i don't want to see [ __ ] people that like blew off their head with a shotgun or something i'm okay.

(4:47:22) " Unless you know that Kirk Oane Unless you know that he didn't kill himself that's all I want to know well I mean there's there's people that have large followings on social media like on Tik Tok that whose job is to clean dead bodies like uh when when they're processing them to be buried like to clean them and uh Yeah so morticians and [ __ ] yeah yeah i would say like morticians it's it's a it's a weird job like I get it and like I know like a lot of old cultures like even like that exist today like will like have wakes

(4:48:00) and they dance with the body hang out with it and [ __ ] and like it's just very taboo in society today so that's why we see it as weird well I think it's just societyy's just so materialistic and focused on the now and the dopamine hits that you don't really think about death so it's kind of I mean generally people don't really think about it in the first place but more so now I would say no it's a big taboo and nobody wants to talk about it a girl death is a destroyer of all pleasures you know so it's one of the only inevitable things

(4:48:33) that happens in our life dude of course yeah um you know what's next what hell oh you don't know that's That's a whole other combo quit trying to condemn me you [ __ ] oh you you It's on you now you can't claim ignorance anymore ignorance isn't your shield i never thought I'd call a Muslim dude a [ __ ] that's That's life goals [Laughter] i'm just the Warner man i'm just the war yeah yeah you told me just the messenger exactly what's uh what's the the three-headed dog name that is Cberus yeah guards the gates of hell i'll I'll hop on Cberus and I'll ride

(4:49:30) him out of hell there ain't no dog of hell our concept of hell is definitely more severe than that that's the That's Disney version have you ever looked into the seven levels of hell i mean Dant is inferno yeah don't they yeah I've heard of it um long time ago long time ago you got to be a scholar dude you got to read these things you got to know about these things what what about it no I was just I was just curious yeah i mean there's a similar concept in Islam for different layers of hell it's not just one so depending on your sin uh like the hypocrites are going to be the

(4:50:20) lowest level so at the complete bottom because a hypocrite is considered worse than any other form of uh person because not only are they pretending to be on the truth but they're leading people away from it while they're pretending to be truthful so I think that's like that's considered the worst um but you know yeah there are different levels hypocrites would be considered worse than like pedophiles i mean unless you're hypocritical pedophile I mean that's you guys got to reassess that whole system there well no cuz if if you look at it this way if you look at it this way what is

(4:50:59) what is the ultimate uh sin religiously speaking pedophile no no no because it's to deny God essentially it's to deny God right it's essentially because if you deny if you deny God then that's like denying everything else that you know uh that he created and everything like that so that that is the major considered the major sin right the unforgivable unforgivable sin that if you die on it then you're not going to be forgiven so that and then if you're someone by that standard if you're someone who's a hypocrite so say someone you're outwardly you say you believe in God right but then you don't

(4:51:38) and then not only that but you scheme in the background to lead people away from God right uh by what whatever method it may be then you're considered worse cuz like you're like a Trojan horse in a sense right so people will accept you because they think you're one of you but you're not so that by that logic it would be considered the worst isn't that reserved isn't Isn't that specifically uh reserved for the like worst level of hell the worst people the hypocrites yeah yeah random side thought tangent does hypocrite come from hypocrates like

(4:52:13) something to do with him was that Yeah I'm pretty sure I I'm pretty sure it was like No I don't know if it was Hypocrates i think it was like some word for like um like an actor something about acting hold let me look this up no I think it does come from hypocrates does it it comes from the Greek word hypocris which means actor or stage player okay oh okay well then there I guess we're both like interesting because like hypocrates like the whole hypocratic oath for medical professionals that's where it comes from correct

(4:52:55) uh I think so yeah interesting so that's for reserved the reserves uh for the deepest and worst level of hell yep i mean that's why across all societies what is what were the most severe punishment capital punishments were for traders right even even now if you look at if you're a trader in the US um you know there's certain cases death penalties right uh pretty much any any actually I would say I don't think there's a single country out there that has no punishment for traitors that'd be like a double agent in a sense right essentially because you're a hypocrite by nature

(4:53:44) aren't you Muslim flips Yeah yes oh brother i didn't know you were You do sound You do you do sound a little oriental I would say look at his picture oh I didn't notice i mean it's just a brown guy he could be he could be from the subcontinent man there's There's a lot of brown guys that are not uh Muslim true damn dude that's why that's why I said I'm identifying your brothers quicker than you what's going on i I wasn't paying attention to be honest that's I don't know if that's Maybe it's because uh you might be a brother as well

(4:54:29) that's what I'm saying jordan what what's your excuse now message received there's no there's no tax exemption for personal Where's your Where are your questions on i'm still waiting on it i haven't looked into it that deep yet i can't I'm not ready here's the thing bro death you're never ready for death you never know when it's going to find you you could drop dead tomorrow for all you know so you're right but I I want I like I like understanding and being sure of things before I accept them into my life so I of course you should and that's the

(4:55:02) only way you can accept it u because like in the Quran it says there's no uh there's no what do you call it uh what's the word for man i'm losing I'm losing the direct quote there's no compulsion in religion yeah so so you can't you can't manipulate me you No of course I'm not manipulating i'm sending you a message i'm like "All right message received what's the issue with it quit trying quit trying to manipulate me and play play mind tricks with me.

(4:55:30) " Yeah but you know like the thing is is like you know there's signs so in our faith there's signs of end times right so uh there are prophecies you know from 1400 years ago which are occurring right now and there are related to the things that we were discussing right like for example sexual immorality is one thing um kind of on a tangent women entering the workforce is another one tall buildings yeah I mean it's true no it's an actual prediction that women will enter the workforce um high skyscrapers

(4:56:04) I think as well right yeah yeah yeah uh the barefooted bedawin Arabs so which are like nomad Arabs will compete to build the tallest buildings right and like you see that happening now and then the only way and then the Arabs will become rich through uh treasures gushing forth from the earth right and that's your oil right mhm and u Oh there's another one that the Arabia will become green again right so Mhm one is is that so that's a kind of two-part thing where one it's stating that Arabia will become green and then the second part is saying again so in the past um

(4:56:42) it's essentially saying that like you know in the past it was also green and we know both of them well one of them already occurred because of fossils that we found from aquatic marine life in the desert and the second one