July 28, 2025; General Q&A

Video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax3cgR1Mm3U

Summary

Key Insights:

Seasonal Market Trends 🌞 July is one of the slowest months for ticket reselling, but activity is expected to pick up significantly in August and September. 🔥 Wildfires and summer distractions are impacting focus and timing across regions like Canada and the Midwest.

NHL Ticket Strategy 🏒 Season tickets hold the most long-term value—especially with playoff access. Start small with local teams like the Flames before scaling. 🤝 Build strong relationships with reps to get perks like early access or bonus tickets. Local presence matters. 💡 Cheaper seats are safer bets. Avoid overextending on premium sections until you understand what sells in your market.

Transfer Limits and Avoiding Red Flags 🚫 Teams tighten resale restrictions when they start winning. Expect scrutiny in markets like Edmonton. 📱 Avoid transferring all your tickets through the team’s official platform. Use wallet links or scan tickets yourself to stay under the radar.

College Football Gameplan 🏈 College football is a goldmine if you’re willing to grind. Many profitable tickets fly under the radar due to lazy brokers. 📋 Track top 25 schools manually and log sale dates, platforms, and pricing in a spreadsheet to stay ahead. 📅 On-sale tracking requires effort but pays off—set alerts early in the season for late-summer inventory drops.

Tennis Resale Potential 🎾 The US Open has major upside in early-round matches, especially weekends. Finals get crowded with competition. 💳 AmEx presales offer the first crack. Watch for fan club exclusives too. 📚 Start learning the sport now. Knowing players and matchups gives you an edge few have.

Non-Ticketmaster Ecosystems 🔓 Huge opportunity exists outside Ticketmaster. Sites like Paciolan and AXS are less saturated and often more profitable. 📍 Tour-specific sites and college platforms offer low-hanging fruit most resellers ignore.

Account Management Strategy 🧠 Resting Ticketmaster accounts improves queue spots over time—overused accounts get punished by the algo. 🔄 Rotate through 20–30 accounts at a time, tracking performance and cooldowns with data logs. 🚨 Don’t rely on temporary SMS numbers—failure to verify can block transfers.

Conferences and Learning 🎓 Skip Discord-based meetups like “Listed.” Go to World Ticket Conference for real industry networking and high-level insights. 👔 Panels feature execs from StubHub, Ticketmaster Resale, and sports teams. Tons of value if you take it seriously.

Upcoming Sales to Watch 🎤 Paul McCartney’s added show is risky due to resale saturation—stay under $250. 🧛 Sam Smith’s Halloween show is a standout. High demand, low capacity, and strong resale potential if pricing holds.

Actionable Summary:

Get Your Systems Tight 🛠️ Use spreadsheets, test queue strategies, and track results—don’t blindly guess. 📊 Focus on refining what works, not constant system overhauls during the slow season.

Start Local, Think Long-Term 🏟️ Begin with partial season tickets for your nearest NHL team and build rep relationships. 🎯 Prioritize playoff access and learn what games move tickets before scaling to full seasons.

Chase Underrated Markets 🧠 Most resellers skip tennis, college football, and smaller platforms. That’s where the edge is. 🔍 Dig deeper. Make calls, research team rules, and track your learnings year-over-year.

Avoid Rookie Mistakes 🔐 Don’t transfer every ticket. Mix in wallet links, scans, or personal use to stay compliant. 📵 Never rely solely on burner SMS for key accounts—be ready for forced verification.

Plan for August Surge 📅 August and September will be packed. Use July to prep your tools, queues, and research. 🎯 Identify your top events now and be ready when the floodgates open.

Video Transcript

(00:00) How's it going? Yeah, I'm good, man. I'm good. It's sweltering hot in Chicago today. It's It's Laala Palooa week here. So, it's a busy it's a busy week just locally in Chicago, but I'm good, man. How's everyone? How's everything up north? How are you? Good. Good. Very [ __ ] smoky here, but it's it's it's nice out. I can't Oh, you guys got the wildfire [ __ ] going on. Yeah. Yep.

(00:23) Oh, man. I hope everyone's okay, everyone's safe and all that for my family. Yeah. Uh Ethan, have you any wildfire smoke issues in Alberta? Uh beginning of the year, we had some smoke coming in from all the BC fires and things like that, but it's pretty clear now. Yeah, I think we should have a [ __ ] ton up north in Saskatchewan right now.

(00:45) So, yeah. Well, that's good. Glad everyone's safe. But yeah, man. I mean, even like I mean, obviously Chicago isn't super close to the border, but like there have been days where like it's been uh we've definitely like felt the you know, the the secondary effects uh just in the air.

(01:02) Uh you know, and certainly like I know up in Michigan and stuff, they've been experiencing that stuff a little bit too. So, golly day, it seems like we just can't do uh we can't get a we can't get a point where everyone's just having a good time. There's always something shitty going on. Yeah, it is. It is what it is. I know. I know. I know. Um, all right.

(01:22) So, we can certainly get started. Um, Matt, I was just telling Jordan a little bit ago, I mean, obviously, you know, summertime, especially July. July is probably the second slowest month of the year besides January. So, we, you know, we've had a little bit going on. Not a ton. Um, I'm certainly going to talk No, no, no. Trapper, get stop. Stop. Get away.

(01:42) Um, uh, sorry, puppy roaming the house. Um, we I'll certainly have a couple things to go over. Uh, but we'll certainly I think, you know, we'll be a little more questionheavy tonight. Uh, so Jordan, if you've got questions, I'll certainly take them.

(02:01) Med, if you've got questions, I'd love to, you know, just, you know, if you want to just maybe go through some, you know, you you always have great questions, but, you know, even if you've got some inventory we want to talk about specifically, we can certainly tailor this thing a little more to you. I mean, you're always here and, uh, if we got a smaller group tonight, you know, I'm down. I just I don't have a ton of huge topics to talk about.

(02:20) Uh just cuz things have been a little slower and I'm I'm hoping that we pick, you know, things should really pick up in a big way in August. But just kind of laying that all out there. Um Jordan, do you have any questions to get kind of get us rolling? Not off the rip, but I imagine I will as we go on. Okay. Um Me, do you have any questions off the rip? Uh yeah, I got a question for you. Okay, sure.

(02:43) Uh um I was just looking I know the NHL schedules came out recently and watched that the regular season tickets were going on sale. Sure. I've never purchased any any NHL tickets, but do you find there's opportunity in like big rivalries? Like I'm from Calgary, like Edmonton versus Calgary and things like that. Yeah, absolutely.

(03:03) you know, um, kind of this is kind of a common thread with all sports in that obviously we talked about this a little bit in the past, but you know, the the big money to be made in sports is obviously going to be in season tickets and that comes with playoff rights and it's a longer term investment and a larger purchase obviously.

(03:22) uh they're going to get the first crack kind of it's going to vary team by team on uh as far as individual games go because what teams have done over the last decade is they have gotten all that data from what season ticket holders have been selling on TM resale or what have you and they have now they have taken that data and they have started to dynamically price games out of the gate.

(03:51) So, a game against a a shitty team on a Tuesday night is going to be priced face value for single games a lot differently than your rival game on a Saturday night, right? And so, they are trying they have moved towards trying to price stuff out of the gate for single games uh as close to market value or what they think market value is, which obviously makes it a lot tougher for us to make money. Um, let me ask you this.

(04:17) Have you done any like looked into um maybe not a full season package because full season is it's a lot of work especially it's not as much as like baseball where there's a game like every other day but even hockey I mean there's like two to three games a week.

(04:35) Um have you looked into maybe like a smaller like a lot of teams offer like a a mini package 10 games 12 games 15 games? Have you looked into that for, you know, I would certainly say if Calgary is your local team is uh, you know, have you looked into any like a partial game, a partial season for Calgary at all? No, I haven't looked at any season tickets at all, but that was something I wanted to ask you about was season tickets for for NHL as well as I know lots of the college uh sports season tickets are going on sale right away here. Yeah, for sure. So, here's what I would

(05:05) recommend. And and you know what? Actually, maybe, you know, I I uh I'll kind of look into this with you, but you know, I always recommend if you're going to dive into season tickets or tip your toe into season tickets, start with something local, right? Uh don't just try to go pick out who you think is going to win the Stanley Cup because that's what everybody's trying to do.

(05:31) But what you want to do is really get your dip your toe in with your local team because then you can go to a game yourself and use your seasons and meet your season ticket rep and shake his hand and when you know when you've met face to face, you know, you never know what kind of opportunities can come out of there.

(05:49) If he's got extra tickets for a game one night or something, maybe he'll think of you. And when the playoffs come around, you know, you've got a good relationship with your rep, that kind of stuff. That's a long-term relationship. Season tickets are very relationship based in my opinion. Um, if you really want to do them right, and also a lot of teams, especially if they're good, no disrespect to your Calgary Flames, but you know, Stanley Cup's not in the cards right this second, and that's okay.

(06:13) But most of the time when teams get good um they start doing residency restrictions or requiring some teams, you know, I know uh uh like the Winnipeg Jets um uh canceled a bunch of my season tickets because I wasn't local to Winnipeg and they asked me to send in a copy of my ID showing I lived in Canada and obviously I couldn't do that and so they canceled my seasons.

(06:36) So stuff like that, that's not that's not to scare you. That's just kind of painting the whole picture here. Um, here's what I would do, and this is my heavy recommendation for you. Um, because it sounds like you at least follow hockey, which that's that's one of the other big things about sports. There are people who do this, that sports is just not their thing.

(06:55) They don't follow it very closely. They're into music, whatever. Um, I think personally you at least need to follow hockey a little bit to have hockey season tickets because then, you know, for obvious reasons. Um, what I would do is this. I would go now that the schedule has come out. I would go take a look at what the what the Flames offer um uh as far as season ticket packages.

(07:24) I would maybe not start off with a full season ticket package, but I would figure out what is the highest package I can do or the lowest package rather that would give me playoff rights. Right? So, some teams if you do a 20 game pack or a 15 game pack, they will actually give you the rights to uh like they'll give you like a playoff pre-sale with an exclusive code should the Calgary Flames make the playoffs.

(07:53) Obviously, the goal in sports overall um as far as a big picture way of thinking, your goal is to break even on the regular season and then make your money on the playoffs. So, you know, football, it's a lot harder to do that because you won't Football playoffs are only one game, right? You you win and you're you advance, you lose, you go home.

(08:18) Hockey, baseball, basketball, a little different cuz they're best of five, best of seven. So, when you're talking about playoffs, you get multiple playoff home games and multiple chances to make your money. Uh, and that's kind of where the bread and butter is. But my recommendation is start local.

(08:36) And I would dive into and I might do this this week too and shoot you a DM and just we can compare notes cuz I'm always interested in keeping up. But I would look into, you know, hey, what kind of packages get and actually the sometimes the easiest way to do it is give them a call. And I know that sometimes uh calling people on the phone is not everyone's favorite thing to do in this day and age, but call them on the phone.

(08:56) Hey, I'm looking and just talk to somebody. Hey, I'm looking at getting three season tickets and you know and just talk through it with them. They might have all that laid out on the website, but um my recommendation it's it's always sometimes teams also have like pick them plans where you get to pick the opponents for like 12 or 15 or 20 games and obviously you could pick weekend games or games against them, you know, other Canadian teams, stuff like that.

(09:28) Um, but I would recommend start with the flames. Don't start off at a full season package. Do uh a smaller package or two and then once you get the hang of it and and kind of learn the learn the ropes, you can upgrade that to a full season package. And obviously you will the more games you have, the lower your price per game will be.

(09:55) Um, I would always say that especially starting out, the cheaper seats are the better option. Um, those lower level corners that are h1red plus dollars a ticket might seem great for a Saturday night game, but again, it's going to be really tough to eat $100 plus tickets on a week night for, you know, a Tuesday night against the Columbus Blue Jackets or whatever.

(10:19) Uh um do I always try to go cheaper when I'm starting out? And so you learn kind of what sells and what doesn't for a certain team because every team's going to be different. Every, you know, Calgary is different than Toronto is different than Winnipeg. So, but that is my overall recommendation is just the the team will especially a team like Calgary that isn't in a Stanley Cup contention and maybe doesn't have the most number of season ticket holders ever.

(10:45) They would I'm sure they would be very grateful for your business and they you know you might even be able to get a deal. Like who knows what you know you never know until you kind of dig into it. But um keep me posted on kind of what you find if you want to bounce some stuff off.

(11:03) Hey, they've got these center ice seats versus these seats at this price. I'll be happy to, you know, I'll be happy to to advise or or guide you, but bouncing, you know, let me know what you find out because I think that's a great play. And hockey is obviously the least watched of the big four sports. Um, I know not in Canada, but certainly in the US.

(11:26) And you know, a lot of people don't buy hockey tickets because they don't follow hockey. And so I certainly think that hockey is an undervalued and underutilized market especially where you are because obviously hockey is a religion up there for just about everybody. Do you think too like I'm in Edmonton like almost every weekend or every other weekend? Yeah.

(11:49) You think it's worth looking something like that as well and 100%. What about transfer restrictions and things like that? Like is it frowned upon to be selling like more than half of your season tickets off like with the sales rep? Is there anything to be aware of around that? So, you know what? Every team is going to be different. Here's typically how it goes.

(12:07) Typically, they don't care until they get good. When they get good, then they start taking a harder look. Um, you know, uh, what this is my personal advice that I use. Every team or league has a marketplace that is the official marketplace of so and so team. Um, and I don't recall what it is for the NHL, but the the marketplace that the league or the team has the official deal with, that is the marketplace they can actually see the back-end data.

(12:43) they can see what you sell, when you sell, all of that stuff. So, like for instance, the official resale for the Chicago Cubs is SeatGeek. So, I don't broadcast any of my Cubs tickets to SeatGeek because I don't want my season ticket rep to be able to see on the back end what I've sold my seats for.

(13:02) Obviously, they will still be able to see um that you transferred them, which was actually the question. Um, and my advice for that goes like this. Especially in this day and age, it's pro, you know, for someone like Edmonton who is a Stanley Cup competitor, they are going to be more strict about it than someone like Calgary. Again, it's typically linked to performance.

(13:26) When a team is bad, they, you know, they will take any money they can get. Once a team gets good, they start they start restricting stuff, cancelling broker season tickets. you know, they want they they want your broker business until they don't need it anymore and then they dump you off on the side of the road.

(13:46) So, um, if that is a concern, and it definitely should be, I typically try to, um, you know, for me, Cubs is local. So, I try to use X number of, you know, I try to use 25% or 20% of my games, even if I just go scan them and leave just so they show up as scanned. Um but you can always a lot of guys make wallet links um uh that way you know with wallet links um obviously there is the added uh risk um with them not showing up on scan reports and stuff but your typical clientele that is going to a hockey game is typically not the type of clientele that is going to try to pull some shenanigans that they saw on Tik Tok

(14:31) about trying to get a refund. and and you know take advantage of the of the wallet link situation. So if you do get into season tickets, I would probably recommend um using wallet links. That way your seats are being scanned, but they're not showing as transferred.

(14:55) So it actually looks like you use them out of the account, which is obviously favorable when the team is looking at it. Okay. Thank you. I don't think walt links is an option for me right now. like listed won't allow me to do any wallet links, but that's definitely something I'll still I'll still look into. And I would go to a decent amount of games. I have buddies that would go or something like that. Yeah, that's the other thing. Like, you know, you get four seasons and you and a buddy go to half the games.

(15:18) Like that's, you know, they most in this day and age, most teams are pretty receptive to the fact of, hey, look, I've got a life. I travel whatever. like I can't no one very few people can go to 41 home games you know like very few people can do every single game and so most teams are pretty understanding it's it's when you get into a fact of like you know you know 85% of your tickets are being sold and you're going to one game a year that kind of stuff but if you are there that frequently like you know I think if you attended 25% of your of your games and

(15:54) and sold the rest I think you'd probably be Okay, but that is also a question you can pose without bringing up resale specifically. Hey, I'm in town every week, every other weekend for work or whatever the reason is. Um, you know, I there might be some games I can't go to.

(16:16) What is the team's stance on, you know, am I okay to I would hate to lose that cost and lose that money? Is it can I recoup some of my cost? Uh you can always ask that which is again why I recommend actually having a conversation because you can broach that topic lightly. Um and just kind of see what the you know and the team will you know team will come out and say most of the time yeah you know as long as you're not reselling more than half your games we're okay with it. We understand you can't make every game that sort of stuff but it does vary team to team.

(16:42) That's going to be a conversation that you you know what you the conversation you have with the Calgary Flames would be totally different than the one that you had with the Edmonson Oilers, which is again why I think a phone call is the most efficient way to do it. Okay, sounds good. Thank you. Yeah, for sure. Uh and then you mentioned college a little bit.

(17:02) Um, you know, we college is tough because all of those co most of those college games uh go on sale via Paciolan, which is like the ticket master for for college sports. And Paciolin, as you know, as we probably know, is is one of the most obnoxious sites to get an order to go through on.

(17:23) So, that is that makes it a little bit diff, you know, a little difficult. Um, we do have college football starting up uh I guess in like three weeks now. I can't believe it's already August. Um, and you know, we didn't have as normally we get a bunch of high-profile on sales. We we didn't get as many this year.

(17:44) You know, we did the uh um we I posted about the uh Oh, I'm losing my the Northwestern Michigan game at Wrigley Field. Uh but again, uh we didn't get, you know, I think we did an Ohio State uh did maybe an Ohio State on sale in July. We didn't have as many high-profile on sales as we normally do. Um but you know, there are some teams that it goes on sale late uh in August.

(18:12) And though, you know, something that something you can do, something I probably need to do is just kind of going through like the top 20, 25 teams, you know, looking at the top 25 list for college football, going through each of those teams and just seeing, you know, most of those big Texas, Oklahoma, those big teams are donor only, Notre Dame, but there are always a couple of gyms and they're usually on the away side of things. So, you wouldn't really be looking at the home schedule.

(18:43) You'd be looking at at where Alabama or Texas is a small school that they're playing away. And those teams would probably have the the accessible inventory because they don't have the big time donors like a Texas or an Oklahoma home game would. Um, so that, you know, there there are always some stragglers in August that happen. Uh, and again, college football is such a vast topic.

(19:09) you know, there are a 100 plus division one college football teams um that a lot of people just are too lazy and don't don't dive into it um because it's overwhelming or they don't they don't know how. Um and something that I did not do this year that I I really wanted to and and probably should and something I recommend that you do next year.

(19:34) Uh I don't know how much you follow followed college football, but just having a very basic spreadsheet. I actually if you remind me via DM, I will send you the the template that I have, but it's essentially a template that I go through starting in like, you know, March, April, and and just once teams start posting their on sale date um and season ticket information and and single game information, I just keep all of that in an in a spreadsheet and set calendar alerts and stuff.

(20:04) I didn't do it this year and and that's that's definitely my fault. But something for next year that is kind of how to tackle um and it takes time. It does it takes, you know, a full business day really to go through every single college football website and make a spreadsheet jotting down, you know, on sale information. Is it fun? No. Is it sexy? Not really. But it does pay off.

(20:28) And that is kind of unfortunately it's a manual situation. Um and but I will send you my uh template for that. Uh so you can use it for next year or use it for the remaining you know there are will be some on sales in August as well. But that is kind of how you tackle college football. You know there are plenty of brokers who do nothing but college football because it is so vast.

(20:54) And again, when you when there's so much that people have to research manually, um, a lot of it just goes by the wayside because guys are lazy. They get distracted, they forget, whatever. They don't want to put the work in. Um, so yeah, I mean these when I talk about niches and little pockets um to kind of learn your niche, that's one of the that's the kind of thing that I'm talking about.

(21:25) you know, everyone can buy NBA playoff games or the Stanley Cup finals on ticket master or whatever, but taking uh taking time to really dig your toes into uh you know, a an off thebeaten, you know, North Dakota State versus North Dakota. Nobody buys that game. It's a huge game every year. Um there are little division 2 teams that don't that aren't ever on television.

(21:51) um that nobody buys. And so when they do have a big game, you know, their season tickets are like $20 a ticket per game. So it's like a $100 a ticket for a season ticket. So it's super low risk, but these are things that you got to find and it takes time and kind of manual labor to find them.

(22:10) Um but when you do and learn how to, that is kind of how you find a niche and you get really good at mastering something that not everybody has a pulse on. Hey, that sounds great. Thank you. I really appreciate that. Yeah, don't forget um send me a DM when we're done and I'll pass along that that uh that template for you and you know it'll it'll have info from not this season but last season.

(22:37) So, it'll have websites and stuff and it'll have a bunch of info on there, but you can update it. You can use it to kind of update for future seasons or use it for other sports or what have you. But, it's a good starting point. Yeah, that'd be that'd be awesome. Um, what other I like the topic of sports because you really have to talk through sports.

(23:02) It's really tough to do a lot of sports in a in a call write up format because the write up would be 10 pages long, longer than my writeups already are. And so it really helps to talk through sports because the people like you that actually want to put in the effort to learn it, um, it becomes very valuable.

(23:20) Are there any other sports that you were specifically interested in that that you were thinking about that we could talk through a little bit? Um, I know this is kind of passed over already, but the US Open was something that was like one of my first events I purchased last year or the year before. Oh, golf or tennis? Uh, tennis. Tennis. Yeah. I know kind of the like the final semi-final are the most targeted. Yeah.

(23:47) Yeah, but I heard people I I don't know what the the title is, but like the season ticket or some sort of discount and buying up like bulk earlier rounds. Do you have any thoughts on that or any more information on that? Um I am not aware I am not aware of a US Open season ticket. That does not mean it doesn't exist. But as to my knowledge, American Express is the sponsor of the US Open every year.

(24:11) So, they do a big most of the inventory goes through the American Express pre-sale, which typically happens in like late May, early June. Um, I I I don't know about I I I don't know anything about buying in bulk. Would like to know more if it exists, but again, um, you know, I Everybody's going to go for the finals, right? Everyone's going to go for the finals. And the US Open is unique because they do like a I think they do like a lottery like the night not a lottery but like a some kind of randomization to figure out who play like who gets seated where to play to play on you know what day or what time. So there's there's not a great way to predict when the big players are going to play. But yeah,

(24:56) those earlier rounds definitely have value because the number one player, the number two player, the number three player in the world, you know, they might make it to the finals, but they there's a path to get there. They got to play a couple of games to get there.

(25:13) And so buying those early, you know, I I typically buy the early round weekend games. So, I'll buy like the Saturday sessions and the Sunday sessions for like the first, second, third rounds because there's always, you know, it could fall flat in its face if it's two nobodies or if one of the big players gets upset and is no longer participating. Obviously, prices go way down.

(25:40) But, um, yeah, you know, again, US Open, you'll notice a theme here. A lot of people only buy the finals because they don't know [ __ ] about tennis. So, actually, one of my goals this year personally was to learn tennis because I had never been to the US Open. I don't know tennis.

(26:00) Uh, and so I've started I actually subscribed to the t the tennis channel much to my wife's dismay and I will have tennis on just random tournaments learning the players and kind of you know not following hardcore but just becoming a casual fan of tennis because then when the US Open comes around I have a better idea of um a better idea of like you know potential matchups or this or that.

(26:26) Um and so you know my best advice to you is yes the US Open is big money like the people that pay money to go the the tennis is obviously a very high a wealthy sport right uh most of the you know the general tennis fan is is wealthy and so yes there's big money in tennis but again there are other tournaments besides the US Open that certainly make money But you have to learn tennis to know about them.

(26:59) I don't I haven't even gotten that far in my tennis journey yet. But um yeah, I mean obviously if you don't have an American Express, that's number one. Um you know, and and I'm I'm certainly going to look into the uh well, actually, let me make a let me make a med list of things I need to DM you this week.

(27:20) But, um, I'm going to look into both the season ticket thing and the like I guess it'll be like a group sale situation. I don't believe they offer either one of those, but I've been wrong before. Um, let's see. Uh, uh, and, um, diesels. and groups. So, yeah, I will certainly dig into that and and let you know what I find, but to my knowledge, I didn't think Where did you can can you elaborate a little bit on just where that came from? Did like does someone you know do group sales? Uh, no. I'm just trying to find it right now. I just was just looking at ticket groups on W just like browsing and

(28:06) someone offered free trials. hopped in on a trial and just looked at the previous calls and I'm just going through right now and trying to find um where it was mentioned. Um here I can Yeah, if you want to continue, I'll keep I'll keep looking through throughout the know if I find it. Yeah. Yeah, no problem. And again, we're you know, it's small group tonight. We're we're here for you basically.

(28:35) Um, but yeah, I mean, to my knowledge, the the big pre-sale is the American Express pre-sale, um, which happens a couple of weeks before the public sale. Uh, and that's typically kind of the first crack at tickets. But, um, yeah, there's tons of money to be made.

(28:57) I do know that this year, you'll notice a a common theme here with sports, but this year the, you know, the the pricing, the dynamic pricing was was really really heavy. I mean the uh I went back and compared pricing between the finals this year and the finals last year as far as cost and I want to say they were like 35% more expensive or something.

(29:15) So like that's you know that that might be your entire margin. Um, and that's kind of the other the the further we get along on this ticket road, um, the more data that everybody has and everybody sees what tickets are selling for and the teams or the US Open or the NHL or whoever wants a bigger piece of that pie. And, you know, it's it's impossible to keep under wraps. It's just one of those things where they kind of see it going on.

(29:42) It's their content. they they own the content, the tickets, and they're watching everybody else make money off of it. So, it's one of those situations. Also, there's a really great site that I'll send you. Um it's a blog a tennis blogger and um he has kept up he's done like he's like a data engineer and he's done hardcore data on US Open tickets for like the last 10 or 15 years or something and has kept all of his results and like compares them side by side.

(30:16) Um I'll send you the blog because it was really helpful uh for me. But um let me make a note of that too. But yeah, man. I mean, again, when we're talking about niches and these these un these stones that don't get turned over a lot, you know, tennis, we've talked about a lot of them tonight, you know, stuff like that.

(30:37) There are dozens and dozens of little pockets of tickets that have big money that people just don't they don't sometimes only scratch the surface on. And um so you know that's kind of what big picture that's kind of what makes tickets so exciting and and interesting is is you know there I've been doing this however many years two decades plus and like there are still pockets like tennis or certain college football teams that like I haven't even dug into a whole lot and like there is just an endless amount of things to learn and like try to

(31:17) capitalize on. So, um, that's probably one of my one of my favorite parts of this entire thing. Um, tennis blog here. I just found what this person said. They said they bought a bunch of the uh, Labor Day ground passes and then wait for the discount to hit in the summer and said that there's sometimes primes available for the quarter, semis, and finals.

(31:41) So, I don't even know what the the Labor Day ground passes are. So, uh, I I can't I believe a grounds pass is like a general admission, like a standing room only situation if I I'm going off the cuff here, but I believe that's the case. Um, whether that gets you access to something more than that sometimes, that is certainly possible, but that's very interesting.

(32:08) I would uh yeah, I would actually be interested to kind of dig deeper into that. if you want to send that over. I will dig into tennis with you and kind of do back and forth on some stuff that I found with tennis that's helpful that you can bookmark and revisit for the for the US Open next year and stuff like that.

(32:24) But yeah, I mean um so that you know that's that kind of goes back a little bit to what we were talking about with the sports, right? like it's a different situation with the grounds passes, but you know, sometimes just having that stuff, having a sevengame partial package um for, you know, the Winnipeg Jets, you know, they might send you a unique code to buy four tickets for a playoff game, that kind of stuff.

(32:53) There are added benefits um to that. So, it's not always just what tickets do I have. Sometimes getting your foot in the door has other benefits as far as access is concerned. Um, and that's kind of stuff that you learn as you go along. Yeah, for sure.

(33:13) I definitely want to dig into these like non- ticket master sports site more. That's a big goal of mine for sure. Yeah. And and I I support that goal a lot because obviously, you know, the the the the rules have been changing and and getting harder on Ticket Master since Taylor Swift. That is not really a secret. you know, even recently that they've started um singling out certain accounts and forcing you to send in like to take a selfie and send in ID to match the info on your account and stuff like that.

(33:53) And and so as ticket masters continues to make moves like that, I think the only logical move is um to start looking at things other than ticket master because you'd be amazed once you get out of the ticket master ecosystem, the you know, you've seen this probably with a tour. If there is a tour that is non- ticket master like a tour gate, it is almost always has way less ticket counts and usually higher prices because everyone is so hyperfocused on ticket master and they don't they spend so much of their time on accounts and cues and this and that which is not bad. It's just the truth. And the consequence of

(34:37) that is they don't spend nearly as much time researching or focusing on shows that are not ticket master where you don't have to worry about all that [ __ ] And I think that's a really smart play to edge your bet a little bit because ticket master is not going to get less annoying or less difficult to work with, right? They're only going to get more difficult.

(35:02) And meanwhile, some of those non- ticket master gems are just sitting there right for the taking. Just got to find them. And that's the hard part is finding them. Speaking of ticket master, do you have any thoughts on just account management, I guess, or any general practices that I should be following? Like, as I'm scaling up, I have I feel like I'm having trouble deciding which accounts to cue for which events.

(35:32) It's like I've built out a system to track events and and track like recent Q positions and how many times I'm queuing accounts and that sort of thing, but is it worth like creating accounts for specific cities and then queuing those specific cities only or like in Jansy you can set your time zone for each browser? Like all those little tiny things of I don't know trying to seem more real I guess. Yeah. And you know, I wish I had a great answer.

(36:02) Um I I I don't I I certainly think that the time zone thing is interesting because that is a big thing for non some non- ticket master sites like Pakolan, Eix. Um that sort of stuff. Ticket web. um they you know if if if I'm not using a proxy that is based in the city of the event where it's taking place a lot of the time I can't get the order to go through.

(36:28) I don't think that ticket master focuses on that as much. Um, but you know, I I will say this that I have started to notice over the last maybe 6 months that um, you know, letting an account rest, not entering a queue, not doing anything with it for 3 to 4 weeks, you'll bring it back and the Q spot will will certainly improve from the last time that it was used, which makes me wonder and something I have wondered over the last couple of months does just joining a queue affect the algorithm right so like does jo just join the act of joining the queue does

(37:14) that kind of ding your account so to speak I don't have any any proof I don't have anything hardcore to back that up but I have started to wonder you know are they keeping hardcore track of how many cues you're joining and your account will cool off if they see that you're you know you're joining every single queue every single day with the same account.

(37:41) So I have actually started to just rotate like take blocks of accounts. So like I'll use 15 or 20 accounts one day and and let let a group of 20 just rest for the week or for two weeks. Um and again I'm I'm constantly try it's a constant trial and error, right? what what what you think you have it all figured out. What works one day will will not work the next week.

(38:07) Um and so that's just something that I've kind of been trialing error is just not, you know, letting some of my accounts just rest completely. Not even joining to like test a queue, just kind of letting it rest. Um you know, it's not a foolproof solution for anything, but I have certainly seen a difference.

(38:27) Um, and I, you know, I always share whenever whenever I do see some kind of result, even if it's not like life-changing, I I I certainly share it because that's how we're all learning, right? It's just bouncing [ __ ] off each other. But, um, yeah, man. I mean, it is uh, so, how many accounts are you just how, let's say, your roster, how many accounts do you have that you're rotating out right now? Uh, I have like 200 accounts right now, but I think I think only around like 75 of those have lines. The rest are are completely um like just email

(38:58) OTP only. Got it. Okay. Um, so what are you how are you balancing how are you how are you bridging the gap between not having as many numbers as you do accounts? What do you mean? Like I mean at some point if you're purchasing tickets like at some point you have not run into an issue where it asks you for like like what phone numbers do you have on those accounts? I would this is when I was first signing up with them.

(39:31) I just use like verify SMS like Daisy SMS like one of those one time SMS. I try to find services that advertise themselves as real numbers. I understand they're they're being reused but I've just been rolling with it so far. Got it. I I think my my fear there and it's I'm not I'm not discouraging it because I understand it's not practical for everyone to have 200 lines that you're not necessarily using every month. What I would advise you of is two things.

(40:02) Number one, when you change in order to change a phone number, I believe you can only verify via via OTP. And so what I don't want to happen is for you to buy tickets on these accounts and then get into a situation where you you are you the only way you can access your tickets is via phone OTP.

(40:23) Just be be very careful because there will be a time when they are going to force you to you to verify via text for some important reason. And if you're not able to do that, you might get yourself into a pickle with your tickets. Again, there are ways out of it with wallet links and stuff. There are there are solutions.

(40:42) I'm just putting that out there as like don't get comfortable in that scenario because there will be a time where that you will get yourself into a pickle because you've bought tickets and now the only way you can transfer them is by verifying your phone number that you originally put on the account.

(41:02) And if you're not able to do that, it causes a huge problem. So, don't nothing to like sound the alarm about. I'm just just putting that on your radar of just something to think about as you're kind of learning how to juggle um and and and scale these accounts. Um and again, I understand that it's not plausible to have 200 numbers that you're not necessarily using um and paying for every single month. I get that. It's a huge bill.

(41:34) Um, just something to like be aware of so it doesn't blindside you if it happens. Um, so let me let me let's get back on track here. Um, you know, I So what's your current process? You're testing 50 accounts at a time. You're testing 200 accounts every day. What's kind of your current kind of method? You don't have to give away everything you like. That's not really what I'm getting at.

(42:00) I'm trying to figure out kind of what are you currently doing uh to kind of keep track and and you have some systems set up and stuff. What does that look like just a little bit so I can try to kind of advise on the best way to move forward? Yeah, I don't mind sharing at all. So, I'll I'll uh like just have a list of all my accounts. Recently, I just switched to try out Insomniac this month. So, things are a little bit different.

(42:24) But previously with Jansy, I would I have like a web app that lo you know how Jansy logs the cube positions into a CSV file. So I'll just test whatever like 20 30 accounts um per release and then upload that and then the web app tracks like its Q positions, average Q position, like last time queued, total times cued, all things like that kind of some related data.

(42:51) And then if it's like in an awful queue position, I'll just let it rest for three, four weeks. And if it's in a good position, I'll keep rotating it forward. Just kind of play around with stuff. Try to try to see if location matter. So you are you are letting stuff rest. You are definitely letting stuff rest. Yeah. Yeah. I've just been Okay. Not really any specific system to it, but just seeing if I can pick up anything.

(43:13) And once an account's good, I'll just try to cure it right away and and buy tickets with it while it's good. Like I I haven't been trying to like once an account is in a great position, I've just been trying to use it to buy tickets right away. I haven't been holding on to those kept trying to hold on to those positions if you know what I mean. Yep.

(43:31) Yeah. Uh, you know, that's more or less kind of what I do. Um, you know, again, I I think the common mistake is people uh if someone doesn't have a good queue, they just continuously just ram it through a uh ram it through different on sales. And I think the better suggestion is just letting it cool off like you're doing for a couple of weeks. Don't let it join anything.

(44:00) Um and um and yeah and again I have I have seen some different differentials in Q position by just letting something rest versus just continuously hammering it into a queue. Um you know more excuse me more or less that is a variation of kind of what I'm doing.

(44:23) Um, and and honestly, man, I I think based on our current situation, here's, you know, my I'm hesitant to give any like hardcore like change your system in this way to kind of accommodate because, you know, you'll spend all this time doing that and then next thing you know, they'll turn it on on its head again and you'll be back at square one just kind of trying to, you know, back at the drawing board.

(44:48) So, I personally think small tweaks um small tweaks to the system that you're using and logging the results of those small tweaks are much more productive at this point right this second because they're changing so much so often versus the alternative which is like overhauling your system constantly. I just think that's a lot of wasted effort um for stuff that we're not even 100% sure about.

(45:15) So, you know, I again, and also this is probably the worst time of the year to to do this kind of stuff because you don't have a ton of things to test it on. You don't have a ton of great cues to test everything on. So, it's a tough time of year to do that, which makes it frustrating cuz you feel like you're not getting anywhere.

(45:35) You feel like you're treading water, that sort of stuff. Uh my biggest advice it especially for new folks, do not get do not get frustrated during this time of year. Um summer is always slower. Uh a lot of people have a mindset of like if I'm not buying a ticket every day or I'm not buying constantly that I'm like I'm losing money, I'm not making money. And it's really tough to get out of your head about that.

(46:02) But that's when people start buying junk and stuff just to buy it. Um, and I don't support that at all. So, you know, the point is I think August, September, and then of course into October, November, like the next four months, I think will offer a lot of opportunity. I think between now and the end of the year is a crucial time to be paying attention to both what Ticket Master is doing um on the front end and and also kind of what you're doing on the back end.

(46:36) I think between now and December will be very telling for the next 18 to 24 months of how this how this landscape looks. Um and I think that if Ticket Master is going to make any major major changes I I uh negative ones I mean I think they will I think they will try to implement them in the next 6 months or so. Um, but this is all to say that, you know, I think that August and September will offer a lot more opportunity to actually test your systems.

(47:10) And right now, it's it's probably the worst time of the year to try to to try to it's great to because we all have time to overhaul our stuff, right? we're not very busy, but there's not a ton of concrete stuff to really uh see how our systems are doing and whether they're actually productive or not.

(47:35) Um, but I think in August and September, you will have a lot more opportunity to kind of put your system to work and and kind of see what it can do for you. But I think overall I think your your system and your mindset of letting these things rest and giving them some space to breathe if they're not performing. I think that is probably the best case scenario.

(47:58) Um I I think that the people that do the opposite and just kind of continuously run things into the queue until they drop dead is uh probably, you know, not the greatest uh not the greatest way to go about it. So, um, yeah, I mean, I realize that was a lot of words and not a a huge lot of help, but again, we're working, you know, we're talking about abstract concepts that no one really knows the answer to.

(48:25) So, I personally think on what you have, your mindset is there, you know, the resting is a is a good idea. Um I think again I think that one of the things you know I think the two big things they're looking at right now is number one transferring tickets right um which you know you can't really be helped especially in your case where you're not able to use wallet links so that's not really something that is in your control but I do think that the number of times you enter Q also plays into it and that is in your control and I think that you're handling that the best that you

(49:03) Perfect. Thank you. Um, what other anything else that I mean any other kind of questions? We've we're approaching an hour. Um, anything any other questions? Jordan, have you are there any questions that you've had the light bulb for since we've been on here or anything that you'd like to discuss before we put a bow on this thing? Once uh Med is done asking any questions that he has, I would like to ask your opinion on a couple upcoming events. Sure.

(49:39) I got one last thing if you don't mind. Yeah, man. I never So, I'm I'm full-time Amazon and I really want to make tickets a bigger part of my business. What do you think the value is of of going to some of these conferences? Like I see there's there's taking conferences almost every month.

(49:59) Like what are people learning there? Is it worth going? Is there any specifics you'd recommend? So the the one my personal recommendation out of the gate is do not waste your time, energy or money, especially coming from Canada to go to the listed conference. It is essentially going to be a Discord conference and you're you're not learn you're you're going to be interacting with 90% of people who started doing tickets around Taylor Swift time.

(50:25) The if you're going to go to a conference and I do recommend going to a conference um the one that just happened literally last week, the World Ticket Conference, it happens every July. Um it used to be in Vegas. It's been in Nashville the last couple of years. I believe they're moving to New Orleans next year. Um that is the kind of old school um that is where all the OGs go.

(50:45) That is where the National Association of Ticket Brokers shows up. Uh StubHub is there. Ticket Master Resale is there. Every major exchange is there. Um you will meet big time people. Um it's a it's a who's who of the entire industry. Um you don't have to really know anybody ahead of time.

(51:08) you just kind of you go to these cocktail events, you put your social face on, you have a drink, you chat. You never know who you're going to be chatting with. Um, you know, uh, sports teams send reps or directors of ticketing. I know when I was a ticket master, I used to always get sent to Vegas for the, um, world ticket conference.

(51:26) That is the one to go to. Uh, I would not personally waste time on listed or these other conferences cuz I don't I think it's a lateral situation. I think it's going to be a lot of people who are in the same boat as you versus World Ticket Conference which is going to be people who have been doing this for decades and have been around the block and it's going to be a lot of people from the primary whether it's sports teams or ticket masters you know whoever um there's a lot of people to meet that is the one to go to I would try to make it there next year um and there's a lot you

(52:01) know I always recommend going once Um, but I, you know, this is the first year that I missed World Ticket Conference in like 15 years or something. So, it is that's the one to go to if you're going to go to one to actually learn something and meet people and actually make connections. Um, that's the one that you want to go to.

(52:19) Don't waste your time going to the listed conference. And then are those mostly like networking events or is there demonstrations or like do I go in as the approaches of like I'm a ticket broker or is that frowned upon? Yeah. No, I mean everybody there is either a ticket broker, they provide a service for, you know, Insomniac will go. Um, there are consolidation companies such as listed that go.

(52:43) So, everyone is involved in the ticket cut ticket business in some way, shape or form and probably 75 to 80% of those are ticket brokers. So, no, this is you're going to be amongst your people there. Um, it is you're not going to be an outlier at all. Um, and so this is kind of how it go. It's kind of both.

(53:02) It's an actual conference where actual learning and panels and stuff take place. Uh and then at nighttime um vivid will throw a party or listed will throw a party and everyone goes to this bar or club or whatever and has drinks and that's where that's the networking aspect of it.

(53:25) But during the day um it will be a mixture of like panels. So like I'll just make one up. It'll be like, you know, uh, how to conquer college football and it'll be like, you know, two huge college football brokers and like the head the director of ticketing from like Notre Dame football or something like that and he will they will give their pers they'll have a conversation about ticketing and the you know the ins and outs and the Notre Dame guy will talk about it from his point of view, from the team's point of view. the ticket broker will talk about it from the

(54:00) ticket broker point of view and you kind of have those two worlds collide a little bit. So you'll have panels like that and then you'll also have like um you know best fulfillment practices and like the best way or maybe there's one on ticket the ticket master algorithm and you've got a representative from ticket master and you know who you know blah blah you know person A person B person that's an expert on the topic and they will spend 45 minutes talking kind of how we just have about the ticket master algorithm what's worked for them

(54:34) what hasn't um that kind of stuff. So, there are, you know, there are lots of interesting topics, especially if you've never been before. So, it's not one of those conferences that's, you know, don't get me wrong, there's lots of drinking, lots of partying, lots of stuff happens at night, but during the day, people put on suits, and you don't have to wear a suit, but a lot of people put on suits, and they go to this this conference, and um there's a ton of panels and different topics. You can actually go to the website. It's like world ticketconference.org or whatever

(55:09) it is. And they actually had the schedule from last week and with like the panel titles and the topics they covered and who was there. You can actually I would take I'd recommend going to look at that because you will quickly see it. There's a lot of interesting stuff that's discussed especially if you're new and with the pace at which stuff moves these days.

(55:31) getting together in a room of like-minded people just to bounce ideas or tell stories or whatever. Um, it's a great thing, man. I can't recommend it enough. I think anyone that takes this seriously or even semi-seriously, definitely go at least once.

(55:51) I know that the social aspect is tougher for some people, especially if you're an introvert and you don't know anybody. But um yeah, I can't recommend it enough because at the end of the day, everybody in the room is part of the ticket industry in some way, shape, or form. So, you've always got something to talk about, which is tickets, right? And there's so much to talk about in tickets.

(56:16) So, I definitely recommend next July, I believe it's in New Orleans, um get some info. I will almost surely be there um after missing this year. But it's a really great educational thing. And then the best part obviously it's a business write off, right? The entire trip, every single thing you do is a business write off there.

(56:35) So every bar tab, every taxi, everything, hotel, whatever is a business write off. So if you've never been to New Orleans, it's a great excuse to go there. And uh you know it's a it's a it's definitely a there's definitely work that is done there and tickets are discussed but there is a lot of social drinking and partying and stuff that happens at nighttime too.

(56:55) Hey sounds great. I'll definitely take a look. Thank you. Cool. No problem. All right, Jordan. What you got, brother? I just wanted to know your quick opinion on the added shows for Paul McCartney. I know we're not normally a fan of added shows, but Paul seems to be doing okay. And then also uh Sam Smith.

(57:13) Uh Sam has a ton of listeners. I know he's Yeah. He likes to be super weird, but I think it may have Sure. He's a weird dude. Yep. So, two thing. Are we Are we talking about just the added show in San Antonio for Paul? Uh let me Or did he add more shows? That is the Yeah, the upcoming one for San Antonio.

(57:32) Uh that's okay. Tomorrow, right? Tomorrow. Yeah. Yeah. Um Yeah. And actually, I need to make a note to remind everyone to sign up for that code if they haven't already. Um, but man, you know, here's my thing about Paul. Um, you know, a lot of people, this is why I don't like added shows, because everyone that missed out the first time doubles down and FOMOs into buying the added show. The ticket counts for that second San Antonio show are because everyone sees the prices now.

(58:11) It's a proven concept. There's no more guessing. Can Paul support these crazy prices? You know, there's no guessing anymore. It's it's a tangible market that you can see. So now, especially it's a slower week tomorrow, um, every single person and their mother is going to be buying Paul McCartney.

(58:30) Those ticket counts are going to be insane. Um, I still think it's worth searching. Um, but I would probably stick to my original writeup as far as ceiling price ceilings go. And you know, I'm always a little more cautious about an added show just because once that ship gets too crowded, it starts to sink. I think Paul McCartney can certainly support a second show, but again, it's really going to come down to uh it's a slow week.

(59:03) How many tickets are going to end up for resale? Um because the cat's out of the bag now. Not the cat was ever in the bag on Paul, but there were a lot of people who kind of turned their nose up at these prices and now they would wish they hadn't. And I think a lot of people will double down and try to FOMO in. Worth a search.

(59:21) But again, I'm still probably going to stay on the, you know, 250 and below um situation there just because number one, it is San Antonio, which, you know, not the greatest market in the history of markets. Um, I will certainly look, but I'm not just going to buy blindly because I think that's going to be a very crowded ship for that second show on a slow week.

(59:43) Um, now with Sam Smith tomorrow, another sign up that I need to post about. Um, that's a different situation. So, it's what 11 shows at a or 12 shows at,00 capacity. I've been to the war song in Brooklyn. It's not very big. Here's where it's going to get dicey.

(1:00:04) He has a very exclusive fan club that gets first crack tomorrow morning at like 8:00 a.m. Eastern. And then at 10:00 a.m. Eastern is the um whatever you know if he sends out unique codes or a generic code for that sign up that's out there. So I mean you're talking about,00 tickets. If it's a two ticket limit and I don't know if it is um if it's a two ticket limit that's 550 orders. If it's a four ticket limit, that's like 275 orders.

(1:00:31) So, like, it's very possible that a good chunk of these tickets could be gone during the that exclusive fan club that happens at 8:00 a.m. Um, I think personally the the weekend show and also we haven't seen pricing. I don't know what pricing looks like. If this is going to be a $200 ticket, like no, no [ __ ] way. If this is a $100, you know, I'm in.

(1:00:56) Um, but I think that the weekend shows are obviously a good bet. And honestly, my favorite show of the bunch is uh is Halloween. I think, you know, the gays love Halloween. Um, and you know, well, I mean, I say that specifically, but like it's true. Like when you know, if Harry Styles ever plays a show on Halloween, they call it uh Halloweeny. Um, you know, or Harry actually.

(1:01:19) The gay the gays love Halloween. Uh, I think that Halloween show will be the most expensive of the bunch. It's on a It's the last show. I believe it's on a Friday night. Um, so that's my number one is that Halloween show. But, um, yeah, I mean, the capacity of these 12 shows put together is essentially one show at Madison Square Garden.

(1:01:43) And do I think Sam Smith can do one show at Madison Square Garden? Yeah, I do. So, I think it'll be fine. If pricing is nutso nutso, then that's a different story. But if he stays around a hundred bucks, I think it's it's it's a it's a definitely a win. And it's a it's an allga situation with lots of time. Got like what 3 months.

(1:02:04) So, I think it's a good situation. I do worry that that that fan club at 8:00 a.m. before the sign up will eat up most of the tickets. So, I think people will be fighting over scraps at 10:00 a.m. and there will be nothing left for any kind of public sale, right? Cool. But I'll get I'll get something.

(1:02:26) I need to get Have you posted about either one of those signups, Jordan, yet? I have not. Okay, I'll do it tonight just because I both of them are still open and it'll get people something to do. Obviously, we have Chapel Ran uh we have Chapel Ran uh winners going out later in the week depending on how they do it because I believe they said it's going to be a pre-sale link um for winners, but I don't know if that's going to be locked to the AXS account that you signed up for.

(1:02:55) But if it's possible, I will probably offer a cash out for that to give members that signed up an easy out. Um, but I I need to see kind of what once winners go out what that looks like. Um, but yeah, I mean Paul tomorrow, Sam Smith. Um, there'll probably be, you know, one other thing maybe Wednesday, but the other thing to remember is that it is La Palooa week this week.

(1:03:21) So, a lot of ticket people, industry people have are getting to Chicago tonight and tomorrow. So, typically Lala Palooa week is a pretty slow week just because Live Nation puts on uh Lala and it's a it's a it's a big it's a big undertaking.

(1:03:41) So, typically a lot of high-profile lawn sales don't happen Lala week, but on the other side, the week after Lala, which would be next week, is typically a banger week. So, I'm hoping that trend continues as well. Cool. Um, anything else? Not from me. Cool. Yeah, nothing from me. All right. Yeah, Med, send me a couple of DMs.

(1:04:12) We'll uh I'll dig up that tennis I made a couple notes to DM you some stuff, but that tennis vlog um and a couple other things. We'll fire off some DMs this week. Bear with me because I will be on site. You know, my LA week starts tomorrow. Typically, I don't get any sleep between now and like Monday, so bear with me on response times this week. But, um, yeah, we'll go back and forth about a couple things we talked about.

(1:04:30) I appreciate all the great questions from you. I mean, it's sometimes it's always my worst nightmare just to have one person in here or two people, but like you always, you know, you always ask good questions, which makes it a lot easier. So, I I very much appreciate that. Thank you.

(1:04:47) Um, so yes, uh, I will get some stuff up about signups. We will have a Sam Smith call up. We'll have a call up or a little blurb about I won't do a full call but a little blurb about Paul McCartney. Um and then we'll reconvene for Chapel Ran winners like Thursday or Friday whenever they come out. Um and we'll go from there.

(1:05:09) And uh yeah, and then um yeah, Matt, I'll I'll have a couple of things in your inbox as well this week. Perfect. Thank you. That was great. a little mentorship session going on. Yeah, man. Awesome. Yeah, like I said, it's always nerve-wracking to like feel like you're talking to yourself and no one's got any questions or anything, but I really do appreciate the engagement.

(1:05:28) It makes it a lot easier and a lot a lot more fun to do on my side. So, thank you for that. I hope I hope there some stuff was learned. Yeah. No, definitely. That was great. Thank you. Yeah, absolutely, man. Um All right. Well, uh Jordan, thank you as always. I appreciate you.

(1:05:47) We'll do we'll get together and do something for August and uh I'll have a couple of posts up this week and if anybody needs anything my inbox is open for y'all. Beauty. Thank you, sir. Appreciate it, guys. Thank you. Have a good night. Thanks, Joey. Have a good night. You too, guys. Take care.